I would caution about conclusions until the grand jury evidence is revealed and I would not necessarily take the outcome as automatically correct in that southern state.

but that’s me being wide eyed and intelligent about racism in the south.

but the grand jury could be right.

Posted by dino27 on 9/24/2020 12:26:00 PM (view original):
What I know about the breanna Taylor criminal case.

1. The original search warrant was flawed at inception and not valid setting up the horrible chain of events
leading to eventual settlement.

2. The no knock warrant was executed by cops who did not create the search warrant and did not know it was wrong. Executing it was lawful by them.

3. at the time the no knock warrent was legal.

4. the cops say they announced their presence.

5. breanna Taylor’ s boyfriend fired at the cops and says he thought it was a home invasion and did not hear the cops say they were police.

6. the police started firing in response to the shooting by breanna Taylor’ s boyfriend.

7. the only disputed issue so far in 1 - 6 is whether the police made an announcement.

8. there was one witness who says the police did say who they were before there was shooting.


dont know the strength or veracity of the witness.
but if the above is all true the police executed a warrent in good faith and then acted in self defense to shooting.

The 1 witness vs. the 11 who say they didn’t hear police announce themselves, too

Posted by wylie715 on 9/24/2020 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 9/24/2020 11:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 9/24/2020 11:36:00 AM (view original):
well,Trump justified that kid in Kenosha shooting people. Its okay when he does it?

Pretty sure I've already stated multiple times that it is NEVER "okay" for anyone to shoot someone, but thanks for trying to twist your way into the action.
D*mn you people sure love to look for ways to twist things to argue.

um, can you not read? I didn't say YOU justified the kid in Kenosha shooting people. I said Trump attempted to justify it, which he did. What exactly did I twist? Try reading and comprehending a post before commenting on it.

You asked me (since I'm the only one you argue with) if "It's ok when he (Trump) does it (justifies shooting)?
I replied that I already answered that several times. This wasn't even a good effort to back-track/twist. Care to try again?

The reality is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable, particularly when in reality most relevant witnesses were probably asleep. Beyond the question of whether the police announced themselves is the question of whether that makes any difference when they execute a warrant after midnight when the suspect can be reasonably expected to be asleep and not hear the announcement in any case. The boyfriend is setting up his story very clearly. He's claiming they were asleep in bed, awakened unexpectedly, and believed a home invasion was going on, so he took action to defend the home. Which would have probably been deemed legal. We'll never know if that's true or if he initially decided he didn't want to go quietly, but it's at least totally plausible. Why are police waking people up in their beds to serve a warrant? It's asking for trouble.

A lot of protesters are complaining that the lack of formal homicide charges is a miscarriage of "justice." They claim they want "justice." I'm sorry, but justice is not the same thing as revenge. What these people want is revenge. Based on the details we have now, this is all about the need for reform. Trying or convicting officers for murder for carrying out lawful orders is not justice. Making an example of individuals for following their training is not justice. Our police cannot safely do their job if they aren't allowed to shoot back when somebody starts shooting at them. Again, I don't have all the details. If they release the evidence from the grand jury trial maybe we will see that there were mitigating circumstances that would warrant a homicide trial. I can't rule it out. But what I can definitively say is that based on the small amount of public information, calling for the heads of the officers, and calling it "justice," is absolute nonsense.

Posted by all3 on 9/24/2020 3:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 9/24/2020 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 9/24/2020 11:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 9/24/2020 11:36:00 AM (view original):
well,Trump justified that kid in Kenosha shooting people. Its okay when he does it?

Pretty sure I've already stated multiple times that it is NEVER "okay" for anyone to shoot someone, but thanks for trying to twist your way into the action.
D*mn you people sure love to look for ways to twist things to argue.

um, can you not read? I didn't say YOU justified the kid in Kenosha shooting people. I said Trump attempted to justify it, which he did. What exactly did I twist? Try reading and comprehending a post before commenting on it.

You asked me (since I'm the only one you argue with) if "It's ok when he (Trump) does it (justifies shooting)?
I replied that I already answered that several times. This wasn't even a good effort to back-track/twist. Care to try again?

Nope. The fact that no matter what Donald Trump does, you will continue to defend his actions and will vote for him makes me realize it is hopeless to argue with you. Doesn't meany I won't do it, just that I know whatever I say won't make any difference to you. And you are not the only person I argue with on here. I've argued with tangplay, dino, bronxcheer, coreander, guitarguy (or do they only count once since they are likely the same person. I dispute what you say ( I don't think I would call it arguing) because I felt you were moderately intelligent and might eventually see reason. Obviously, I was wrong. No matter waht Trump does or says, you will vote for him because some democrats or trolls on this message board have talked about defunding the police, (not abolishing them , just funding them differently) opening borders (although I have not seen any prominent democrat say our borders should be wide open) and giving everything away free. So Trump can talk about not peacefully transitioning if he loses the election and that is okay, but Sanders can talk about free education and that scares you. Right. Makes perfect sense to me.

Posted by dahsdebater on 9/24/2020 3:56:00 PM (view original):
The reality is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable, particularly when in reality most relevant witnesses were probably asleep. Beyond the question of whether the police announced themselves is the question of whether that makes any difference when they execute a warrant after midnight when the suspect can be reasonably expected to be asleep and not hear the announcement in any case. The boyfriend is setting up his story very clearly. He's claiming they were asleep in bed, awakened unexpectedly, and believed a home invasion was going on, so he took action to defend the home. Which would have probably been deemed legal. We'll never know if that's true or if he initially decided he didn't want to go quietly, but it's at least totally plausible. Why are police waking people up in their beds to serve a warrant? It's asking for trouble.

A lot of protesters are complaining that the lack of formal homicide charges is a miscarriage of "justice." They claim they want "justice." I'm sorry, but justice is not the same thing as revenge. What these people want is revenge. Based on the details we have now, this is all about the need for reform. Trying or convicting officers for murder for carrying out lawful orders is not justice. Making an example of individuals for following their training is not justice. Our police cannot safely do their job if they aren't allowed to shoot back when somebody starts shooting at them. Again, I don't have all the details. If they release the evidence from the grand jury trial maybe we will see that there were mitigating circumstances that would warrant a homicide trial. I can't rule it out. But what I can definitively say is that based on the small amount of public information, calling for the heads of the officers, and calling it "justice," is absolute nonsense.

Thank you for the logical, well thought out, and factual post.

Posted by dahsdebater on 9/24/2020 3:56:00 PM (view original):
The reality is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable, particularly when in reality most relevant witnesses were probably asleep. Beyond the question of whether the police announced themselves is the question of whether that makes any difference when they execute a warrant after midnight when the suspect can be reasonably expected to be asleep and not hear the announcement in any case. The boyfriend is setting up his story very clearly. He's claiming they were asleep in bed, awakened unexpectedly, and believed a home invasion was going on, so he took action to defend the home. Which would have probably been deemed legal. We'll never know if that's true or if he initially decided he didn't want to go quietly, but it's at least totally plausible. Why are police waking people up in their beds to serve a warrant? It's asking for trouble.

A lot of protesters are complaining that the lack of formal homicide charges is a miscarriage of "justice." They claim they want "justice." I'm sorry, but justice is not the same thing as revenge. What these people want is revenge. Based on the details we have now, this is all about the need for reform. Trying or convicting officers for murder for carrying out lawful orders is not justice. Making an example of individuals for following their training is not justice. Our police cannot safely do their job if they aren't allowed to shoot back when somebody starts shooting at them. Again, I don't have all the details. If they release the evidence from the grand jury trial maybe we will see that there were mitigating circumstances that would warrant a homicide trial. I can't rule it out. But what I can definitively say is that based on the small amount of public information, calling for the heads of the officers, and calling it "justice," is absolute nonsense.

This post is evidence that your heart is full of hate. If you had any empathy (probably your latent racism prevents this) you would want revenge too. Say her name.

Rosebud

Come on dude. I'm trying to give you credit for being a real person. You're gonna have to come up with something more convincing than "if you didn't have so much hate you would want revenge." Revenge is the child of hate. Forgiveness is the fruit of love.

Go read some MLK and get back to me.

Posted by dino27 on 9/24/2020 4:35:00 PM (view original):
I would not call it nonsense. That’s condescending.
i do not know how many witnesses started their witness accounts after the shooting started.
people are not legal standard savvy and yes they want reform after the fact.

they have a right to be irate about the shabby handling of the warrent and the policy of a no knock warrent in non exigency circumstances which this was.

at least Louisville stepped up and did civil justice with a proper settlement and is now engaged in meaningful
reform and calling it the breanna Taylor act.

now is a time for the Louisville police dept to let people blow off steam and not push peaceful protesters.

I agree with all of this. None of it suggests legal culpability for the officers involved.

This is an excellent example of 2 wrongs not making a right. Nothing we do to the officers involved will bring back Breonna or help her family. If we make examples of the officers for doing their duty they just become further victims of a broken system. The real exigency was for systematic changes, at least some of which have been enacted. And hopefully the size of the civil payout, which was clearly due from a city with an unquestionably broken policy resulting in a civilian death, will result in more cities enacting Breonna Taylor Acts before someone innocent dies.

Posted by wylie715 on 9/24/2020 11:36:00 AM (view original):
well,Trump justified that kid in Kenosha shooting people. Its okay when he does it?

That kid in Kenosha was on the ground with 2 guys kicking the crap kicked out of him. GOOD SHOOT.. It was self defence

Posted by dino27 on 9/24/2020 12:31:00 PM (view original):
I would caution about conclusions until the grand jury evidence is revealed and I would not necessarily take the outcome as automatically correct in that southern state.

but that’s me being wide eyed and intelligent about racism in the south.

but the grand jury could be right.

and you are ok with BLM calling every white guy in the nation a racist. Ok with fat people (well all the ones I see are women who weigh over 225 and waddle when they walk) screaming obscenities in the faces of people who are just trying to go about their daily business. Their 'brothers' go with them looting and burning buildings, and beating on people and you clal that OKAY?

There are not protesters , but terrorists. and half the country is too dumb to realize it. I will also be you that less than 5 percent of those morons have jobs. I will even go as low as 2 percent. But HEY, elect the Demos. They will give them money to do their thing.. (YOUR money, btw) Think they are peaceful protestors? Go take a peek at their website.

You see, when the chaos becomes a civil war, and the Left calls on the UN.. and it is The Governments can declare a state of emergency, lock you all down, and the military takes control of the whole shebang. GAME OVER... and by the way, you are all in against racism, right? It is the Democrats who protested the Emancipation Proclamation..and they still seek to control everything and everyone.. and with the help of on line Media, and U Tube they are having a field day.. because they didn't just infiltrate those information conduits. They own them.

Posted by Aldershot on 9/27/2020 9:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 9/24/2020 11:36:00 AM (view original):
well,Trump justified that kid in Kenosha shooting people. Its okay when he does it?

That kid in Kenosha was on the ground with 2 guys kicking the crap kicked out of him. GOOD SHOOT.. It was self defence

Jesus, no? I can’t believe this is how far gone the right is that you need to actually have conversations and say things like “they were trying to disarm him because he had shot someone already.”

LOL. Dude must think Fox news is fair and balanced!

FEAR the future!!! Trump's mantra!
Scare the ignorant into voting for "law and order" while destroying the order of the entire Nation!

The damage done by ONE evil SCUMBAG and 63 million scared and BLIND fools.
How many Germans did it take to elect Hitler?