I would say it is fundamentally weird.

Posted by coreander on 10/8/2020 12:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/8/2020 12:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 10/8/2020 9:46:00 AM (view original):
On a scale of 1 to Donald Trump how sexist did you find Mike Pence to be last night?

All of his interruptions and mansplaining reaffirmed my hatred for toxic masculinity.

All in all, I'm beginning to think of Kamala as less of a centrist, which is good.

This is the stupidest popular take, so no shock that you've gone straight there.

Go watch Pence's VP debate from 2016. If anything, he did more "mansplaining" against his white male opponent in that debate. Nobody called it toxic masculinity when the other participant wasn't a woman. What's more, Harris did THE SAME THING in THE SAME DEBATE and nobody's calling it "toxic femininity." In fact, I heard some of the same people who were criticizing Pence for "mansplaining" praising Harris for explaining things clearly, not just for Pence but for the general audience.

This is the problem I have with modern progressives. They want women and minorities to be treated equally until it's inconvenient, and then they want them to be treated differently. I'm totally on board with feminism through roughly the 70s. Since then things have really gone off the rails.

This is the most ignorant statement I have seen on these forums in a long time.

Quoting this again. So you are fundamentally opposed to all the strides women have made towards gender equality since the 1970s? Wow, just wow.

One man’s ceiling is another man’s floor.

Posted by laramiebob on 10/8/2020 12:03:00 PM (view original):
WHAT does that mean??

Single holers or double?
Stall doors? or no?

Single rooms? or big multi-stall affairs?
Cologne dispensers or after shave?
What about tampons dispensers?
Or condom machines?

This is getting so complicated.

I would imagine that they would function pretty similarly to the restrooms we have now. To answer your last three questions, yes, yes, and yes.

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/8/2020 12:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 10/8/2020 9:46:00 AM (view original):
On a scale of 1 to Donald Trump how sexist did you find Mike Pence to be last night?

All of his interruptions and mansplaining reaffirmed my hatred for toxic masculinity.

All in all, I'm beginning to think of Kamala as less of a centrist, which is good.

This is the stupidest popular take, so no shock that you've gone straight there.

Go watch Pence's VP debate from 2016. If anything, he did more "mansplaining" against his white male opponent in that debate. Nobody called it toxic masculinity when the other participant wasn't a woman. What's more, Harris did THE SAME THING in THE SAME DEBATE and nobody's calling it "toxic femininity." In fact, I heard some of the same people who were criticizing Pence for "mansplaining" praising Harris for explaining things clearly, not just for Pence but for the general audience.

This is the problem I have with modern progressives. They want women and minorities to be treated equally until it's inconvenient, and then they want them to be treated differently. I'm totally on board with feminism through roughly the 70s. Since then things have really gone off the rails.

This is actually a really interesting topic. Toxic masculinity is definitely a thing. Does that mean that we need to approach the issue in the same way that core does? No. But the discussion is there to be had.

This is the problem I have with modern progressives. They want women and minorities to be treated equally until it's inconvenient, and then they want them to be treated differently.

Amen, dahs. Their hypocrisy hurts "their' cause(s) far more than it helps them.

"Toxic masculinity is definitely a thing"

No WAY!!!! The Thing is alongside I - 10 just east of Benson just pass Texas Canyon. It's on the south side of the freeway. In a box with a glass front. Kinda like a mini china-hutch laying on its back. (Can we still say China-Hutch?)

It's in the back room. Of this tourist trap. You gotta pay to see it. I don't knows how much anymore. Inflation and all. More asians in cars, LOTS more Mexicans, not a small share of Crackers and swamprats...........but anyways........it's probably less than 5 bucks.
You can get a soda and some pepperoni while you're there.
Or some rattlesnake eggs.
The Texans in the MAGA hats buy that stuff up like flapjacks!

Posted by all3 on 10/8/2020 2:20:00 PM (view original):
This is the problem I have with modern progressives. They want women and minorities to be treated equally until it's inconvenient, and then they want them to be treated differently.

Amen, dahs. Their hypocrisy hurts "their' cause(s) far more than it helps them.

Explain if you can

Posted by laramiebob on 10/8/2020 2:23:00 PM (view original):
"Toxic masculinity is definitely a thing"

No WAY!!!! The Thing is alongside I - 10 just east of Benson just pass Texas Canyon. It's on the south side of the freeway. In a box with a glass front. Kinda like a mini china-hutch laying on its back. (Can we still say China-Hutch?)

It's in the back room. Of this tourist trap. You gotta pay to see it. I don't knows how much anymore. Inflation and all. More asians in cars, LOTS more Mexicans, not a small share of Crackers and swamprats...........but anyways........it's probably less than 5 bucks.
You can get a soda and some pepperoni while you're there.
Or some rattlesnake eggs.
The Texans in the MAGA hats buy that stuff up like flapjacks!

LOL

Posted by tangplay on 10/8/2020 1:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/8/2020 12:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 10/8/2020 9:46:00 AM (view original):
On a scale of 1 to Donald Trump how sexist did you find Mike Pence to be last night?

All of his interruptions and mansplaining reaffirmed my hatred for toxic masculinity.

All in all, I'm beginning to think of Kamala as less of a centrist, which is good.

This is the stupidest popular take, so no shock that you've gone straight there.

Go watch Pence's VP debate from 2016. If anything, he did more "mansplaining" against his white male opponent in that debate. Nobody called it toxic masculinity when the other participant wasn't a woman. What's more, Harris did THE SAME THING in THE SAME DEBATE and nobody's calling it "toxic femininity." In fact, I heard some of the same people who were criticizing Pence for "mansplaining" praising Harris for explaining things clearly, not just for Pence but for the general audience.

This is the problem I have with modern progressives. They want women and minorities to be treated equally until it's inconvenient, and then they want them to be treated differently. I'm totally on board with feminism through roughly the 70s. Since then things have really gone off the rails.

This is actually a really interesting topic. Toxic masculinity is definitely a thing. Does that mean that we need to approach the issue in the same way that core does? No. But the discussion is there to be had.

Obviously toxic masculinity is a thing, although the nomenclature seems a bit weird (/sexist) to me. I would argue, for example, that if you look into the personal and professional life of Hope Solo that she has clearly and repeatedly exhibited the characteristics that would generally fall under that title. The name toxic masculinity inherently presumes characteristic masculine and feminine characteristics, which the people who spend the most time talking about it otherwise reject. But whatever - we agree that the idea commonly called toxic masculinity does, in fact, exist.

I think it's very likely that we'd differ significantly in how we define toxic masculinity, but I also think that under both of our definitions Mike Pence doesn't have a whole lot of it. All of this is somewhat outside of the point that Pence and Harris behaved very similarly in the debate and we have a large community praising one of them and denouncing the other for nearly identical behavior. I just think if we take the political dimension out of it - people who like to talk about toxic masculinity are generally not fans of Mike Pence - step back, and take a look at Pence, he is far, far, far from almost anybody's definition of what toxic masculinity looks like.

Further, this has little to do with my original point that nobody criticized Pence's behavior in this way when he was debating Tim Kaine. I don't buy into the idea that it is somehow progressive and open-minded to demand that he treat Kamala differently because she's a woman. And by the way, she demonstrated amply that she's quite strong enough to stand up for herself and certainly didn't need to be treated differently.

Posted by coreander on 10/8/2020 12:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/8/2020 12:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 10/8/2020 9:46:00 AM (view original):
On a scale of 1 to Donald Trump how sexist did you find Mike Pence to be last night?

All of his interruptions and mansplaining reaffirmed my hatred for toxic masculinity.

All in all, I'm beginning to think of Kamala as less of a centrist, which is good.

This is the stupidest popular take, so no shock that you've gone straight there.

Go watch Pence's VP debate from 2016. If anything, he did more "mansplaining" against his white male opponent in that debate. Nobody called it toxic masculinity when the other participant wasn't a woman. What's more, Harris did THE SAME THING in THE SAME DEBATE and nobody's calling it "toxic femininity." In fact, I heard some of the same people who were criticizing Pence for "mansplaining" praising Harris for explaining things clearly, not just for Pence but for the general audience.

This is the problem I have with modern progressives. They want women and minorities to be treated equally until it's inconvenient, and then they want them to be treated differently. I'm totally on board with feminism through roughly the 70s. Since then things have really gone off the rails.

This is the most ignorant statement I have seen on these forums in a long time.

Clearly you don't take the time to proofread your own posts.

Posted by coreander on 10/8/2020 1:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 10/8/2020 12:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/8/2020 12:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 10/8/2020 9:46:00 AM (view original):
On a scale of 1 to Donald Trump how sexist did you find Mike Pence to be last night?

All of his interruptions and mansplaining reaffirmed my hatred for toxic masculinity.

All in all, I'm beginning to think of Kamala as less of a centrist, which is good.

This is the stupidest popular take, so no shock that you've gone straight there.

Go watch Pence's VP debate from 2016. If anything, he did more "mansplaining" against his white male opponent in that debate. Nobody called it toxic masculinity when the other participant wasn't a woman. What's more, Harris did THE SAME THING in THE SAME DEBATE and nobody's calling it "toxic femininity." In fact, I heard some of the same people who were criticizing Pence for "mansplaining" praising Harris for explaining things clearly, not just for Pence but for the general audience.

This is the problem I have with modern progressives. They want women and minorities to be treated equally until it's inconvenient, and then they want them to be treated differently. I'm totally on board with feminism through roughly the 70s. Since then things have really gone off the rails.

This is the most ignorant statement I have seen on these forums in a long time.

Quoting this again. So you are fundamentally opposed to all the strides women have made towards gender equality since the 1970s? Wow, just wow.

For someone who claims to be a Yale student this is remarkably poor reading comprehension.

My problem is not with women or gender equality. I said the feminism - the feminist movement - has gone off the rails. The reality is that leading feminists in recent decades aren't even interested in gender equality. They're interested in pushing a specific agenda. I can't remember off the top of my head which prominent feminist leader - it might have been Gloria Steinem - said of a woman working for the McCain campaign in 2012 that she must be doing it "to try to impress some guy." That would have flown right in the face of earlier feminism, what I would consider rational feminism. It's frankly demeaning to the woman in question, giving her infantile "girly girl" motives and completely discounting the idea that she might have a different perception of her own best interests than (Steinem?) herself.

Through the 70s, feminists basically embraced the idea that women should be able to do whatever men could do, whatever they wanted to do. Now it's more "women should be able to do whatever they want to do unless it's: vote Republican, be pro-life, stay home to take care of their children (although this is fine for men), in any way choose family over career (also fine for men), etc." It used to be a central tenet of feminism that women were just as intelligent and rational as men and deserved the right to think and decide things for themselves. Now it's a central tenet of feminism that women should all agree with a core sociopolitical framework. This is what I'm not on board with.

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Posted by dahsdebater on 10/8/2020 12:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 10/8/2020 9:46:00 AM (view original):
On a scale of 1 to Donald Trump how sexist did you find Mike Pence to be last night?

All of his interruptions and mansplaining reaffirmed my hatred for toxic masculinity.

All in all, I'm beginning to think of Kamala as less of a centrist, which is good.

This is the stupidest popular take, so no shock that you've gone straight there.

Go watch Pence's VP debate from 2016. If anything, he did more "mansplaining" against his white male opponent in that debate. Nobody called it toxic masculinity when the other participant wasn't a woman. What's more, Harris did THE SAME THING in THE SAME DEBATE and nobody's calling it "toxic femininity." In fact, I heard some of the same people who were criticizing Pence for "mansplaining" praising Harris for explaining things clearly, not just for Pence but for the general audience.

This is the problem I have with modern progressives. They want women and minorities to be treated equally until it's inconvenient, and then they want them to be treated differently. I'm totally on board with feminism through roughly the 70s. Since then things have really gone off the rails.

This is actually a really interesting topic. Toxic masculinity is definitely a thing. Does that mean that we need to approach the issue in the same way that core does? No. But the discussion is there to be had.

Obviously toxic masculinity is a thing, although the nomenclature seems a bit weird (/sexist) to me. I would argue, for example, that if you look into the personal and professional life of Hope Solo that she has clearly and repeatedly exhibited the characteristics that would generally fall under that title. The name toxic masculinity inherently presumes characteristic masculine and feminine characteristics, which the people who spend the most time talking about it otherwise reject. But whatever - we agree that the idea commonly called toxic masculinity does, in fact, exist.

I think it's very likely that we'd differ significantly in how we define toxic masculinity, but I also think that under both of our definitions Mike Pence doesn't have a whole lot of it. All of this is somewhat outside of the point that Pence and Harris behaved very similarly in the debate and we have a large community praising one of them and denouncing the other for nearly identical behavior. I just think if we take the political dimension out of it - people who like to talk about toxic masculinity are generally not fans of Mike Pence - step back, and take a look at Pence, he is far, far, far from almost anybody's definition of what toxic masculinity looks like.

Further, this has little to do with my original point that nobody criticized Pence's behavior in this way when he was debating Tim Kaine. I don't buy into the idea that it is somehow progressive and open-minded to demand that he treat Kamala differently because she's a woman. And by the way, she demonstrated amply that she's quite strong enough to stand up for herself and certainly didn't need to be treated differently.

This is absurdity did you really watch the debate.
sure Harris interrupted a few times just a few but not nearly as many times or ever as rudely as pence. Pence interrupted the majority of the time and in extended ways several times....and he clearly broke the rules from the start.
and when she spoke over it was only briefly and just about every single time to reclaim time stolen by pence.

you are really not very objective.

How many times did Pence interrupt Harris? It was definitely not a majority. It was maybe 7 or 8, she probably interrupted 4 or 5. Interruptions were really never a significant problem in this debate. Exceeding time in their own responses was the much more significant issue. But once again - we know who you are, we know you will see what you want to see.

More importantly - everyone continues to ignore the critical central point that what you are angry about is the fact that Mike Pence DIDN'T treat Kamala Harris differently than he treated Tim Kaine.