gil, do you have a better suggestion for scouting for a D2 Hawaii team? If they do not limit positions, they are going to spend $18K of a $34K budget (assuming three openings) on the top 100 guys they will never have a chance to pick up. With the remaining $16K, to get guys to level 4 they are going to spend:

• $3K on (10) D2 recruits and (5) D1 recruits in Hawaii.
• $11,700 on (60) International D1 recruits

So now they have a grand total of 75 recruits at level 4 and $1,300 left for maybe five recruits from Alaska, Maine, Wyoming, etc... You have 70 (attainable) D1 recruits and (10) D2 recruits available now.

If they go after all recruits in Hawaii and only three positions everywhere else, they spend $10,800 on unattainable top 100 guys, leaving $23,200 for everyone else. At this point you could spend:

• $2,925 on (10) D2 recruits and (5) D1 recruits in Hawaii.
• $900 on scouting service for 60 D1 internationals
• $6,480 on assistant coach trips for (36) International D1 recruits (only three positions)
• $1,500 on scouting service for an additional 100 D1 players from mainland states of your choosing
• $10,800 on assistant coach trips on (60) of those (only three positions)

This method yields 5 D1 Hawaii recruits at all positions, 91 (attainable) D1 recruits at three positions and 10 D2 recruits at all positions. That's 26 more D1 recruits (a 35% increase) by only focusing on three positions. Obviously, those numbers will vary slightly from season to season, depending upon recruits generation. Is that trade-off worth it, if you can manage your roster carefully?

Posted by cbriese on 11/21/2020 7:36:00 PM (view original):
gil, do you have a better suggestion for scouting for a D2 Hawaii team? If they do not limit positions, they are going to spend $18K of a $34K budget (assuming three openings) on the top 100 guys they will never have a chance to pick up. With the remaining $16K, to get guys to level 4 they are going to spend:

• $3K on (10) D2 recruits and (5) D1 recruits in Hawaii.
• $11,700 on (60) International D1 recruits

So now they have a grand total of 75 recruits at level 4 and $1,300 left for maybe five recruits from Alaska, Maine, Wyoming, etc... You have 70 (attainable) D1 recruits and (10) D2 recruits available now.

If they go after all recruits in Hawaii and only three positions everywhere else, they spend $10,800 on unattainable top 100 guys, leaving $23,200 for everyone else. At this point you could spend:

• $2,925 on (10) D2 recruits and (5) D1 recruits in Hawaii.
• $900 on scouting service for 60 D1 internationals
• $6,480 on assistant coach trips for (36) International D1 recruits (only three positions)
• $1,500 on scouting service for an additional 100 D1 players from mainland states of your choosing
• $10,800 on assistant coach trips on (60) of those (only three positions)

This method yields 5 D1 Hawaii recruits at all positions, 91 (attainable) D1 recruits at three positions and 10 D2 recruits at all positions. That's 26 more D1 recruits (a 35% increase) by only focusing on three positions. Obviously, those numbers will vary slightly from season to season, depending upon recruits generation. Is that trade-off worth it, if you can manage your roster carefully?

This. I've coached in Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico and was forced to think outside the box with my recruiting. You simply cannot recruit the same way as someone on the mainland and expect to have a ton of success.

nope. was this a hawaii-based discussion? i was kind of unclear about that. my conclusion before writing my response was that it wasn't, but people did talk about hawaii along the way. that's why i said, maybe at hawaii, at some point in my post (i think). i haven't coached at hawaii, it does seem really hard and i could see crazy stuff being somehow good there because of what a negative the distance is. but yeah if its a hawaii-based discussion then i'll withdraw my objection. i'd probably go for guards more like 3/4 years in that case and pray for random good enough bigs along the way to make it, maybe even to scouting guards 4/4 but having never been there its random speculation.

Posted by gillispie1 on 11/22/2020 12:02:00 PM (view original):
nope. was this a hawaii-based discussion? i was kind of unclear about that. my conclusion before writing my response was that it wasn't, but people did talk about hawaii along the way. that's why i said, maybe at hawaii, at some point in my post (i think). i haven't coached at hawaii, it does seem really hard and i could see crazy stuff being somehow good there because of what a negative the distance is. but yeah if its a hawaii-based discussion then i'll withdraw my objection. i'd probably go for guards more like 3/4 years in that case and pray for random good enough bigs along the way to make it, maybe even to scouting guards 4/4 but having never been there its random speculation.

I’m coaching 2 D2 teams. One in Minnesota and one in Hawaii. Obviously, the scouting/recruiting strategies are very different between the locations.

My original post was about a mistake I made at Minnesota. But then I also mentioned Hawaii later in the thread. All the discussion has helped me!

Puerto Rico is easier than Hawaii. Hawaii you have to rely on internationals, an occasional poach from the west coast of a developmental player, and that some decent players pop in Hawaii so you can maximize your international player dollars.

Posted by shoe3 on 11/20/2020 12:24:00 AM (view original):
This is what I do. Although I am switching it up a little this year, just out of boredom. I’ll report back when I’m done.

This year, with my D2 team in Knight, I shook it up a little, and used the most local-to-me D1/D2 public camp for the first time ever.

With 3 scholarships and 34k in scouting cash, I normally shoot for a recruit pool of around 170. That has normally consisted of D2 internationals and sometimes SD or MN kids, whatever I feel like. Usually I end up with a D2 pool of around 40 and a D1 pool of around 130-150 scouted to level 4, depending on how everything shakes out with the top 100, and how much I leave for transfers. Going with the camps instead, I still got to 174 total scouted to L4, plus a few dozen D2 players to L2 and L3, and ~25 D1 players to L2. But the drawback is I have a higher percentage of those players at D2 this year, with my ratio 110/64 D1/D2. However, I did make a mistake or two I can see now (which I will talk about after the season), so I might give it one more run next year, just to give it a best shot.

What I do is quite simple ..

1) Scout my state and every state that touches my state in the FSS.

2) Pick Assistant Search and start at 100 miles , all positions I need and Div-1 / Div-2.. Pick 'Further scout discovered players' .. search until all are at level 4.
3) Go to 200 miles .. do the same thing. Then 300 miles. Rinse and repeat (400 miles, 500 miles, etc) until I have around $1000 scouting left so I can look at transfers later.

Using this method for Div-3 in Tark now .. I have about 150 recruits at least to recruit level 3 for 5 openings.