Posted by georgerollin on 3/24/2021 4:02:00 PM (view original):
nobody who doesnt deserve it is going to get the top jobs. they will be fighting the top coaches for the top jobs. no one from an average d2 school is getting a top d1 job

This is already happening. I forget which world, but somebody mentioned that as soon as Adam opened the gates, in one world, EVERY big 6 team in that world became human controlled that season. Except for 1. So 71 humans, 1 sim. Almost overnight. I'm not saying all of these coaches suck. But that is a massive swing and change of events. Because of this.......

Firings will be needed.

(Also it's dumb to me that all those jobs that filled, will be locked in permanently for the most part. And it was too easy to make that happen. Now without firings, 71 teams will sit stagnant until someone quits. And there's nothing else for other coaches to work towards in that world. It's just going to be a log jam)

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/31/2021 4:45:00 PM (view original):
I mean ive got my power team Louisville but im curious to see if the teams that fail in the power 6 will move to a smaller conference to try to succeed. I think you are right and we will have to wait and see what happens but camping on a power team will be a thing unless firings start i believe.

Well if so, it will be a pretty expensive thing for the folks stuck at the bottom.

Posted by topdogggbm on 3/31/2021 5:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by georgerollin on 3/24/2021 4:02:00 PM (view original):
nobody who doesnt deserve it is going to get the top jobs. they will be fighting the top coaches for the top jobs. no one from an average d2 school is getting a top d1 job

This is already happening. I forget which world, but somebody mentioned that as soon as Adam opened the gates, in one world, EVERY big 6 team in that world became human controlled that season. Except for 1. So 71 humans, 1 sim. Almost overnight. I'm not saying all of these coaches suck. But that is a massive swing and change of events. Because of this.......

Firings will be needed.

(Also it's dumb to me that all those jobs that filled, will be locked in permanently for the most part. And it was too easy to make that happen. Now without firings, 71 teams will sit stagnant until someone quits. And there's nothing else for other coaches to work towards in that world. It's just going to be a log jam)

LOL no

To which part?

I ask because if you're talking about all the big 6 filling up, it was Crum that just did. Seton Hall is the only sim.

If you're talking about not having firings, well cool. That's what we're debating

I would love to see a 'Hot Seat Meter', similar to the big draft board. That would be so entertaining!!

I’m concerned, I’ll say that. I don’t necessarily think any coach should be able to get any job without earning it. I think jumping to D1 is fine, but mid major and power conference jobs should be earned. And retaining those positions should be earned. I threw out the hot seat meter, contract obligations, and other ideas a while back. I’m anxious to see how this plays out. But no matter the changes that are or aren’t made, WIS will tick some ppl off. The question for WIS is, do u want to provide a fun game that is a legitimate sim, or do u only care about numbers. I have a good idea which will supersede the other. Hoping for the best though. Good luck admin!

Posted by topdogggbm on 3/31/2021 6:44:00 PM (view original):
To which part?

I ask because if you're talking about all the big 6 filling up, it was Crum that just did. Seton Hall is the only sim.

If you're talking about not having firings, well cool. That's what we're debating

I’ve already said what I’m going to say on it, in multiple threads. It’s premature to talk about firings, this is the first season for these worlds to adjust, of course there’s going to be guys rushing to the top, as I’ve suggested for a long time. Give the environment a chance to adjust. I’m laughing at the idea that those jobs are going to be “permanent”. Many of them will not be. And many others who get shifted to the bottom will get tired of it and move on. There is *very likely* to be movement as guys realize how little upward mobility there is in a full power conference, compared to a 1/2 to 3/4 full mid major conference (to say nothing of all the abdicated credits at D2 and D3). Making structural changes at this point before we see how everyone reacts would be incredibly foolish. Firings can be on the table, in the long term, if after some good solid period of evaluation, WIS decides it’s in the games best interest.

But I really just have to laugh at the thought of all the folks, many of the same folks who have spent the last 4 years going on about the population of the worlds, now complaining about the idea of high D1 filling up again. This is a good thing for the game. The folks who struggle will be paying WIS a lot of money to struggle. And 3.0 already fixed the main problem of the previous version’s logjam, which was that conference cash and rollovers made it nearly impossible to build perennial contenders from small and mid-major schools. You can compete from anywhere now, so even if you have to wait for a “power conference” job to open up, which was how it was before anyway, at least now you can build a nationally competitive team while you’re doing it.

Or you can stay at D2 and rack up the credits. Lots of folks will choose to do that after a cup of coffee in the show, I suspect.

Posted by Brokenee on 3/31/2021 9:53:00 PM (view original):
I’m concerned, I’ll say that. I don’t necessarily think any coach should be able to get any job without earning it. I think jumping to D1 is fine, but mid major and power conference jobs should be earned. And retaining those positions should be earned. I threw out the hot seat meter, contract obligations, and other ideas a while back. I’m anxious to see how this plays out. But no matter the changes that are or aren’t made, WIS will tick some ppl off. The question for WIS is, do u want to provide a fun game that is a legitimate sim, or do u only care about numbers. I have a good idea which will supersede the other. Hoping for the best though. Good luck admin!

I don’t think that’s necessarily the question. It’s more a resource constraint issue. WIS has two people working on all their games, and only one is a developer (no offense adam if you’re reading this). For a game that was programmed 20 (?) years ago, this is pretty good. Hopefully WIS invests in a re-write so we can get better defenses (individual matchups!), updated conferences etc. But they won’t do that until they see some results ($), so hopefully this promo is successful and they get more devs!

As someone who tried to rebuild a bad team in an otherwise full power conference a couple of years ago, let me tell you that most people will not stay unless it's their dream job.

Posted by shoe3 on 3/31/2021 10:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 3/31/2021 6:44:00 PM (view original):
To which part?

I ask because if you're talking about all the big 6 filling up, it was Crum that just did. Seton Hall is the only sim.

If you're talking about not having firings, well cool. That's what we're debating

I’ve already said what I’m going to say on it, in multiple threads. It’s premature to talk about firings, this is the first season for these worlds to adjust, of course there’s going to be guys rushing to the top, as I’ve suggested for a long time. Give the environment a chance to adjust. I’m laughing at the idea that those jobs are going to be “permanent”. Many of them will not be. And many others who get shifted to the bottom will get tired of it and move on. There is *very likely* to be movement as guys realize how little upward mobility there is in a full power conference, compared to a 1/2 to 3/4 full mid major conference (to say nothing of all the abdicated credits at D2 and D3). Making structural changes at this point before we see how everyone reacts would be incredibly foolish. Firings can be on the table, in the long term, if after some good solid period of evaluation, WIS decides it’s in the games best interest.

But I really just have to laugh at the thought of all the folks, many of the same folks who have spent the last 4 years going on about the population of the worlds, now complaining about the idea of high D1 filling up again. This is a good thing for the game. The folks who struggle will be paying WIS a lot of money to struggle. And 3.0 already fixed the main problem of the previous version’s logjam, which was that conference cash and rollovers made it nearly impossible to build perennial contenders from small and mid-major schools. You can compete from anywhere now, so even if you have to wait for a “power conference” job to open up, which was how it was before anyway, at least now you can build a nationally competitive team while you’re doing it.

Or you can stay at D2 and rack up the credits. Lots of folks will choose to do that after a cup of coffee in the show, I suspect.

Ok. I can actually admit I can see some of this being relavant. I can see how it wouldn't stay full. So I'll give shoe his FIRST CAREER "you might be right" after a career full of being wrong about everything else.

Kudos there. But I do still believe firings should be factored in.

Posted by cubcub113 on 3/31/2021 2:38:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, we need some firing to free up Big 6 jobs, but I'm not too worried. As Shoe said, C- Rutgers rebuild in full Big East is near impossible, so I'm not too worried about it.

8.7.1

I'm not that super worried either at the moment. Let's see how it plays out.

MAYBE we can use this a springboard to opening a new world. More coveted B6 teams to choose from in a new world!

Yeah what coach is going to stay at a struggling program and continue to put actually money towards the game to stay at a perennial single digit win a season power conference bottom feeder?

Those who do at least aren't earning meaningful credits & are providing real $$$ to WIS which can maybe be used towards investing back into the game. Though they should prob still be fired even if they're at Rutgers or Northwestern after 5 straight single digit win seasons.

Posted by sol_phenom3 on 4/1/2021 8:16:00 AM (view original):
Yeah what coach is going to stay at a struggling program and continue to put actually money towards the game to stay at a perennial single digit win a season power conference bottom feeder?

Those who do at least aren't earning meaningful credits & are providing real $$$ to WIS which can maybe be used towards investing back into the game. Though they should prob still be fired even if they're at Rutgers or Northwestern after 5 straight single digit win seasons.

That was my initial thought. But then I realized that there are quite a few people currently playing this game who have sunk hundreds of dollars into running losing teams. To each their own!

Posted by getbedarded on 3/31/2021 7:27:00 PM (view original):
I would love to see a 'Hot Seat Meter', similar to the big draft board. That would be so entertaining!!

Ohhhhhhhh this sounds amazing. When i first imagined this i saw it on the team home screen kind of like the health meter for players. But i love the BB idea. People could gauge what jobs will be open before they actually are.

Posted by Benis on 4/1/2021 8:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by sol_phenom3 on 4/1/2021 8:16:00 AM (view original):
Yeah what coach is going to stay at a struggling program and continue to put actually money towards the game to stay at a perennial single digit win a season power conference bottom feeder?

Those who do at least aren't earning meaningful credits & are providing real $$$ to WIS which can maybe be used towards investing back into the game. Though they should prob still be fired even if they're at Rutgers or Northwestern after 5 straight single digit win seasons.

That was my initial thought. But then I realized that there are quite a few people currently playing this game who have sunk hundreds of dollars into running losing teams. To each their own!

Yea plenty of people do. Including us! We can't all win in Rupp WCC. Or what about that Tark MEAC conference. Small examples, but they're out there