It's really almost unbelievable who completely ignorant many oi your opinions actually ARE!

Stop commenting on U.S. politics.
You have NO SAY (no Vote) and your arguments are invariably steeped in stupidity and prejudice.
Stick with commenting about Canadian politics and I'll do the same and NOT comment on Canuck issues.

Posted by lostnfound74 on 5/23/2021 2:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 5/21/2021 7:31:00 PM (view original):
Equity means everybody loses. Dark Ages incoming. Thanks Dems

I honestly believe the last election was stolen. manipulated. NOBODY with a half a brain would give assent to these morons

'Momma, my feelings are hurt because I got a C minus in Algebram *sniff sniff*"

*Parent in Calif: Ok that' it, I am calling the lawyers. You were bullied'

*Republican Parent who has a brain "Umm. Stay awake in class. Do your homework. Up that to a B' and put away that I phone.. leave it in your LOCKER

What facebook does to a mf

Posted by dahsdebater on 5/22/2021 10:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/21/2021 8:17:00 PM (view original):
What is this referring to? Most people on the left want equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.

With all due respect, I don't think this is true. At all. I think equality of opportunity is what moderate Republicans support, generally. The kind of Republicans who voted for Bush and McCain and Romney, but not Trump.

Let's look at education, the political battlefield most obviously concerned with opportunity. Even moderate Democrats generally support Affirmative Action. They don't bat an eye when scholarships are reserved for women, minorities, LGBTQ persons, and other underprivileged groups. They would be wildly up in arms about a significant scholarship reserved for white men. (FWIW, I also agree with this, as long as the law is neutral. Scholarships for white men are frankly unnecessary; alternatively, one could argue they already exist and are referred to as 'merit-based'). Similarly, though this veers a bit off of education but remains squarely in the realm of 'opportunity,' CNN loves to run interviews with minority business owners, executives, etc. who talk about 'trying to hire minorities and give them an opportunity.' Their left-leaning audience eats that up. If you made those white business owners they would be keenly aware of the fact that these individuals are blatantly admitting to biased - ILLEGAL - hiring practices.

Even the mainstream left wants something closer to equality of outcomes than equality of opportunity. Progressives generally seem to find the concept of equality of opportunity laughable.

Thanks dahs. I couldn't agree more, but if I had posted the exact same thing I would have been called a racist and a liar.

RACIST!

LIER!

TRUMPLING!

Posted by lostnfound74 on 5/23/2021 2:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/23/2021 1:21:00 AM (view original):
You can, of course, find flaws in any group - and affirmative action is a great example.

'Affirmative action' has done more damage than good.

Get rid of unions. Fire the bad teachers. Hire better ones. Pay them more

Half of them are bad

How would you know that half of the teachers are bad? Do you know them all? Do you know any? Yes,it is a small sample size, but the vast majority of teachers I know are dedicated, generous to a fault, and hard working. Are there some bad ones? Of course, just like there are bad cops, bad salesmen, bad customer service reps, bad firefighters, bad Canadians. You will find bad ones in any group of people. That doesn't make them all bad, or even half of them bad.

Posted by tangplay on 5/23/2021 1:20:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 5/22/2021 10:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/21/2021 8:17:00 PM (view original):
What is this referring to? Most people on the left want equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.

With all due respect, I don't think this is true. At all. I think equality of opportunity is what moderate Republicans support, generally. The kind of Republicans who voted for Bush and McCain and Romney, but not Trump.

Let's look at education, the political battlefield most obviously concerned with opportunity. Even moderate Democrats generally support Affirmative Action. They don't bat an eye when scholarships are reserved for women, minorities, LGBTQ persons, and other underprivileged groups. They would be wildly up in arms about a significant scholarship reserved for white men. (FWIW, I also agree with this, as long as the law is neutral. Scholarships for white men are frankly unnecessary; alternatively, one could argue they already exist and are referred to as 'merit-based'). Similarly, though this veers a bit off of education but remains squarely in the realm of 'opportunity,' CNN loves to run interviews with minority business owners, executives, etc. who talk about 'trying to hire minorities and give them an opportunity.' Their left-leaning audience eats that up. If you made those white business owners they would be keenly aware of the fact that these individuals are blatantly admitting to biased - ILLEGAL - hiring practices.

Even the mainstream left wants something closer to equality of outcomes than equality of opportunity. Progressives generally seem to find the concept of equality of opportunity laughable.

I mostly agree with your argument here, but disagree with the conclusion. The focus on equality of outcome is the exact reason I am completely against affirmative-action style programs as a solution for inequality.

My problem with moderate Republicans isn't that they seem to be against equality of opportunity - I do think many believe we have the same goals. We just disagree on how to get there, and whether we are already there. I've had many discussions with Republicans who state that we already do have some form of equality of opportunity, some even stating that a person born poor has an equal likelihood to succeed as a person born rich in America.

Furthermore, the nations with the most equality of opportunity almost exactly align with my worldview. One of my favorite metrics is economic mobility, because I think it does a good job of demonstrating who has achieved the most equality of opportunity. The highest nations in economic mobility are Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, and Iceland, with a bunch of other European nations coming in behind them. The US is 27th. This makes me feel all the more confident in my ideology as a social democrat, because I genuinely believe that social democracy is the best economic system at working towards equality of opportunity. From my perspective, it seems obvious that we would look towards those nations as a guide for our policy moving forward - and social democracy is often referred to as the "Nordic Model."

Those are just my two cents, anyway. Equality of opportunity might be the most important driver for me in economics and progressives seem to align more with actual policies that could get us closer to the goal than conservatives, even moderate ones.

Really solid back and forth here, thank you both for the opinions.

Posted by lostnfound74 on 5/23/2021 2:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 5/21/2021 7:31:00 PM (view original):
Equity means everybody loses. Dark Ages incoming. Thanks Dems

I honestly believe the last election was stolen. manipulated. NOBODY with a half a brain would give assent to these morons

'Momma, my feelings are hurt because I got a C minus in Algebram *sniff sniff*"

*Parent in Calif: Ok that' it, I am calling the lawyers. You were bullied'

*Republican Parent who has a brain "Umm. Stay awake in class. Do your homework. Up that to a B' and put away that I phone.. leave it in your LOCKER

Followed by....this.

"equity means everybody loses"

the math here i do not understand

Equity is a concept like any other and can be employed to a limited extent but it can and will never be universal.

Periodic adjustments, as in old Jewish law, are humane and useful in maintaining a sense of hope and civil order.

The greatest lesson on equity was given by King Solomon and his judgement between 2 women and their claim of parenthood of a baby.

The end result was justice over equality. Not an equal outcome but the correct and fair one.

Math is numbers and not all numbers are equal but they work together and always add up if done correctly.

the story teller tells the story

who knows what really happened?

but you pick up a book a thousand years old with a story in it told by a artist a shaman a travelling man and you get on your knees and say God

because it rings true to you

what a sucker

a gypsy a carny a freeloader a flim flam man

has took over your head

the church is the greatest easy living boo shy life style concept ever invented

and you bought in

tithe, motherf*cker!

what a rube

1 Peter 3: 8-18 (NIV)

8Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble. 9Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. 10For,

“Whoever would love life

and see good days

must keep their tongue from evil

and their lips from deceitful speech.

11They must turn from evil and do good;

they must seek peace and pursue it.

12For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous

and his ears are attentive to their prayer,

but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.” ^a

13Who is going to harm you if you are eager to do good? 14But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear their threats ^b ; do not be frightened.” ^c 15But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. 17For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. 18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.

But of course my dear friend, you do know, precluding a disability or lawlessness, we all tithe.

bags, after those 2 posts, I truly feel bad for you.

feel bad for the boys that got their legs rubbed up by Father Frank and Monsignor

Legs??

It weren't nobody's "legs" that Father Frank was interested in "rubbing".....................

I can't speak for the Monsignor........... no freaking telling there...........