Posted by firesalt on 11/12/2021 4:26:00 PM (view original):
Trying to understand the rookie rule. When a rookie is drafted, you only get the first years of their career, right? So, in the 1975 season, if someone drafts Sandy Koufax in round 5, they get the 1955-59 seasons, which were pretty bad. Then they have to throw him back for someone else to get his 1960-64 seasons. Is that right? Sounds like some great players will go undrafted and never make it into the league.

Thanks for your question. The league is going to start in 1970, so Sandy Koufax from 1955 would not be part of the normal draft process. Allow me to recap the league: All 1970 players will be part of the first draft. Anyone drafted in rounds 1-5 has 5 years of eligibility on your team. After those 5 years they go back to the draft pool. Rounds 6-10 have 4 years on your team then back in the pool, etc. The next season of play will be 1971.

There will be a pool of rookies from random years included in each draft class - this is where Koufax might show up one day. Those players, if drafted, follow the same eligibility guidelines: rounds 1-5 = 5 years, rounds 6-10 = 4 years, etc. The difference from the random year rookies is that they do not enter the draft pool again after their eligibility expires. The random rookies are being added to enlarge the draft pool and add a little different twist to the league.

I think Firesalt was using Koufax just as an example.

I think to answer the question though - yes. Some players may be drafted in different places than normal (if this were 1968, would Nolan Ryan be the #1 pick?? probably not). But maybe you draft Koufax in the 8th round and so then he goes back earlier and you have a chance to grab him off the FA market. I think the great players still make it in the league - but where they're drafted could likely make a bigger impact.

As I am looking at this, I wonder if the contracts for future drafts should be different. Most teams will only have between 1-10 picks, most likely between 1-5 due to the enlarged player pool. What if there was a bigger impact on when players were taken? 1st round 5yr, 2nd round 4yr, 3rd round 3 yr, 4th round 2yr, 5-10 1yr etc.

Posted by chargingryno on 11/12/2021 6:06:00 PM (view original):
I think Firesalt was using Koufax just as an example.

I think to answer the question though - yes. Some players may be drafted in different places than normal (if this were 1968, would Nolan Ryan be the #1 pick?? probably not). But maybe you draft Koufax in the 8th round and so then he goes back earlier and you have a chance to grab him off the FA market. I think the great players still make it in the league - but where they're drafted could likely make a bigger impact.

As I am looking at this, I wonder if the contracts for future drafts should be different. Most teams will only have between 1-10 picks, most likely between 1-5 due to the enlarged player pool. What if there was a bigger impact on when players were taken? 1st round 5yr, 2nd round 4yr, 3rd round 3 yr, 4th round 2yr, 5-10 1yr etc.

I agree with your assessment of the question asked by Firesalt that Koufax was an example. I also agree with your thought that some players may not be drafted in a "normal" draft spot given the years of eligibility. That's intentional as it will make this league different from other leagues and opens up some new strategy avenues.

I am not inclined to make the draft position / years of eligibility different at this point. The concept as presented needs some time to play out to see if it needs to be changed. Plus, I am taking on the responsibility ( by choice ) of tracking the years of eligibility and I prefer to keep it simplified for now.

From what I understand Koufax, quite possibly, might never be drafted.
When/if he gets taken, IF the random year is 1955, he plays for 5 years and then disappears forever.
Those random rookie players do NOT go back into the draft pool.

Posted by Landry19 on 11/12/2021 6:48:00 PM (view original):
From what I understand Koufax, quite possibly, might never be drafted.
When/if he gets taken, IF the random year is 1955, he plays for 5 years and then disappears forever.
Those random rookie players do NOT go back into the draft pool.

I think you may be correct. I had miss read or just missed that part of the rules, so it doesn’t look like some players like Koufax just probably won’t be drafted. It could be fun to allow those guys to go back into the pool with all the other free agents, but I refer back to the commissioner as it is a lot of recordkeeping and I can understand why wouldn’t necessarily want that.

I had originally read that rule to refer to the year in general. So if that year 1955 was selected,it could never be selected again in a future random draw.

Example - 1970 is the first year of play so rookies will be included for one of the following years: 1890, 1910, 1930, 1950, 1990 or 2010. 1971 is the second year of play so 1891, 1911, 1931, 1951, 1991 or 2011 will be the year of the random rookie.

You only get one bite at the apple in regard to the random rookies from years past. The random year rookies will not re-enter the draft once their eligibility expires. The exception is rookies from the future - they will cycle in to the league in the appropriate year of play.

So I saw that to mean that in 1995, 1955 wouldn’t be available for a 2nd time

Posted by fatguyrd on 11/13/2021 8:08:00 AM (view original):
Baltimore Orioles

Glad to have you!

If and when the time comes that someone like Koufax is available I'll be happy to take him and stick him in AAA until his "good years".

Posted by sigblend on 11/13/2021 1:51:00 PM (view original):
If and when the time comes that someone like Koufax is available I'll be happy to take him and stick him in AAA until his "good years".

The random year rookies will not re-enter the draft once their eligibility expires.

How are you going to stick him in AAA until his good years ??????????

How are you going to get his 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th year out of him ?????

Posted by Landry19 on 11/13/2021 3:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sigblend on 11/13/2021 1:51:00 PM (view original):
If and when the time comes that someone like Koufax is available I'll be happy to take him and stick him in AAA until his "good years".

The random year rookies will not re-enter the draft once their eligibility expires.

How are you going to stick him in AAA until his good years ??????????

How are you going to get his 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th year out of him ?????

I'm not getting more than 5 years out of him - that's why good years was in quotes. I was trying to make the point that he may have some use even if it is not his glory years.

Everyone else is free to continue discussing Sandy Koufax but I am now done with kibitzing about his career.

would koufax return to draft pool after his first 5 years of service?

Posted by coldfoot on 11/13/2021 5:13:00 PM (view original):
would koufax return to draft pool after his first 5 years of service?

No. The random year rookies have a max of 5 years of service.

Everyone else is free to continue discussing Sandy Koufax but I am now done with kibitzing about his career.

It is not Koufax, per say, that is being discussed, it is the rookie rule we are trying to understand.