Posted by Benjaminsmac on 1/27/2022 10:15:00 AM (view original):
Topdogg, I think *your tiers are probably fairly accurate for the impact of our AP towards signing a guy. My point was in determining how many AP it will take to unlock the scholarship offer, I haven't found much correlation with the wants to play preference. You also have to remember, you can't unlock promise minutes before unlocking scholarship offer. I'm sure if you could, it would change how quickly you could offer the scholarship. The wants to play preference starts as either neutral or N/A. I think it's more of a multiplier as opposed to a set baseline (like distance and total attributes) that comes into play for the signing. Here's an example of my last run chasing DI recruits from a DII team. I have a formula that I use to produce my expected AP to get to a scholarship offer and tend to get close directionally:

OVR	Rank	Miles	Wants to Play	Distance	Wants Success	Play Style	Off	Def	Strong Conference	Coach Long	xAP	Actual AP
544	159	107	Neutral	Very Good	Good	-	-	Very Good	-	Good	37.2	40.0
566	51	248	Neutral	-	-	Good	Neutral	-	-	-	112.2	115.0
556	119	67	-	Very Good	Good	-	Very Good	Neutral	Neutral	Good	46.9	50.0
598	41	290	Neutral	Good	Good	-	Neutral	Neutral	-	-	188.1	200.0

Yes I was referring to preference value related to effort score of the whole bundle of oats. I'm not really sure on what you're referring to at all.

Posted by topdogggbm on 1/31/2022 6:20:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benjaminsmac on 1/27/2022 10:15:00 AM (view original):
Topdogg, I think *your tiers are probably fairly accurate for the impact of our AP towards signing a guy. My point was in determining how many AP it will take to unlock the scholarship offer, I haven't found much correlation with the wants to play preference. You also have to remember, you can't unlock promise minutes before unlocking scholarship offer. I'm sure if you could, it would change how quickly you could offer the scholarship. The wants to play preference starts as either neutral or N/A. I think it's more of a multiplier as opposed to a set baseline (like distance and total attributes) that comes into play for the signing. Here's an example of my last run chasing DI recruits from a DII team. I have a formula that I use to produce my expected AP to get to a scholarship offer and tend to get close directionally:

OVR	Rank	Miles	Wants to Play	Distance	Wants Success	Play Style	Off	Def	Strong Conference	Coach Long	xAP	Actual AP
544	159	107	Neutral	Very Good	Good	-	-	Very Good	-	Good	37.2	40.0
566	51	248	Neutral	-	-	Good	Neutral	-	-	-	112.2	115.0
556	119	67	-	Very Good	Good	-	Very Good	Neutral	Neutral	Good	46.9	50.0
598	41	290	Neutral	Good	Good	-	Neutral	Neutral	-	-	188.1	200.0

Yes I was referring to preference value related to effort score of the whole bundle of oats. I'm not really sure on what you're referring to at all.

The reference is to the original question of what it takes to unlock actions. Since the scholarship unlocks before promised minutes, Ben is correct; wants to play preference can’t have any bearing on unlocking, not the way it affects overall effort credit, which is what you’re talking about.

ETA - this assumes all the effort actions are unlocked linearly and in the same fashion; I suppose it’s possible campus visits could be affected by the playing time preference,but if so, that would be the only one.

Posted by upsetcity on 1/29/2022 6:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie on 1/29/2022 2:52:00 PM (view original):
i dont absolutely know the answer here but i can't imagine that all very goods are equal. i believe i have been told by someone trustworthy that seble said there are ranges for preferences just like anything else. not positive though.

Weird you’re saying this since I was almost sure it was you who had suggested the opposite. I suppose there goes my source lol.

interesting. well, i might have a guess where you are getting this from. chap (chapelhillne for the unfamiliar) and i disagree at times about the importance of 5m of extra promise in terms of the preference impact, or really more we just still discuss it from time to time. i think you were privy to a conversation on the topic. but we both absolutely believe there is a difference. its just a question of magnitude, and really its about how we value the tradeoff of 5 extra minutes of promise on a preference guy compared to the impact of the bigger promise on the regular season and such. we see pretty eye to eye in general on the overall topic (promises and how to use them), and probably 95% of the difference of opinion we had when we started co-coaching, we bridged long ago. anyway, i seem to recall you caught like our 15th conversation on the topic which was really just an anecdote at that point, which we had a lot of context for but you kinda didn't.

most definitely, i would expect a 1 vs 199 mile preference to be worth something, and many times more than a 199 vs 201 mile preference, despite the latter pair being where the listed difference is. i never meant to suggest anything different on that front. i do have a line of thinking that goes like... 'very good' preferences are probably bounded and probably about as big a range as any other (very bad, bad, etc). and if that is true, and its also true that preferences are important but that each preference isn't insanely valuable on its own, then its hard for me to see sub-divisions in a single preference range as being THAT crucial (my thinking is a low end very good can't be that much worse than a high end one - but it can be meaningful, i think?). anyway, with 15m already being a very good, and 20m already being a higher very good, how much better can a 25m very good be? i am in general a big proponent of promises in recruiting, but i do feel like there's a point where the tradeoff stops being worthwhile, i am thinking some conversation along those lines... must be the source of the confusion? or at least, could be?