Posted by tlowster on 1/27/2022 8:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mborden308 on 1/27/2022 8:13:00 PM (view original):
After reading this thread, I thought I should hold onto my 3b and never let him go: Player Profile: Fred Schoeneweis - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports

But after Tlowster shared his 3b, Jesus Fernandez and questioned if he was worth the 10 mil/yr , I'm wondering if he's worth a long term deal and how much is too much?

I'll probably end up paying my guy because, as the thread implies, the replacement is just as rare and/or expensive. But, as Hockey pointed out, with rare exception, once an infielder gets on the wrong side of 30, they are worth nowhere near what they're asking.

I think I would pay your guy once he is in arb3. I would just hope he doesn't want to the full five years.

This is one of the very few kinds of players that I might sign long-term before he gets to his last year of arb. He's a very nice player-- you want to own him until he's 32 or 33, especially since he's still improving a bit at age 26. But he's going to be arb-2 at age 29... if you sign him for 5 seasons right then it'll be a little cheaper than if you wait one more year, and you won't possibly be stuck with a mutual option buyout-- and loss of the comp pick-- in his age 34 season.

I agree with dedelman 100% on this. I’d sign him LT so he ends up getting a deal that ends when he’s around 32. It’s going to be expensive. Probably 8.75 per but he’s worth that amount into his early 30’s. If you are paying for his 5 year deal at 29 he loses a ton of value at 33-34.

Posted by hockey1984 on 1/27/2022 6:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tlowster on 1/27/2022 5:01:00 PM (view original):
This guy will cost me around 10 bills a year once he's in arb2. Is he worth it? That's debatable.

And I would say defense is underrated in this game. I often see owners wonder aloud on World chat about how their pitchers are underperforming. Then you look at their SS, 2b, CF and 3b, and you know immediately why their pitchers are underperforming. While 3b is the least important defensive position of the four, your pitching staff will definitely feel a poor performer at 3b.

In Moonlight Graham this season, I had one of the worst offenses in the World, but still won 89 games with pitching that, based on their ratings, we're slightly above average. However, due to superb defense, we ended being the third best pitching team in a mostly neutral home park. Obviously, my team there is still a few seasons away from being ideal and a highly defensive focused team is not my ideal team, but they certainly got the job done this past season. They were the best fielding percentage team in the World and had the best fielding +/- ratio.

Exactly. Normally for me I don’t pay attention to other teams defense, it’s not like you can hit it towards a specific guy (an idea on that later) but during the winter meetings I love seeing teams trading ‘serviceable shortstops asking for 5.6 million in Arb’ who are 32 year old guys with defensive ratings in the 70s and 80s. Normally I won’t even look at a SS if they have a single fielding rating below 90.

ok so for my idea, before the game for your matchups it would be interesting if you could set to ‘hit to left side of field / hit to right side of field / hit up the middle’ and your guys who have a higher push / pull rating would be likely to have their contact go in that direction. You’d be able to take advantage of defensive bums or stadiums with one side of the field with a porch. Would give the push pull rating some meaning.

I appreciate everyone on the forums continuing to toe this line so I can continue to acquire below average defenders who can mash on the cheap.

In the leagues I’m in you almost always have to overpay for those guys either through trades or FA.

Javy ruined 3B's for me. He was one of the first HoF players I ever signed in HBD. All other 3B's look like turds compared to him.

Same with Tony Pujols for me. One of those rare instances where he slipped through the system and I got him in the ultra late round.

Posted by brianplath on 1/30/2022 9:38:00 PM (view original):
Javy ruined 3B's for me. He was one of the first HoF players I ever signed in HBD. All other 3B's look like turds compared to him.

Hopefully Javier can reach that 2,000 run milestone. I love that combo of 3,000 hits/2,000 runs.