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The reason you had a 71-29 lead was your prestige, your effort and prefs - and the effort and prefs of your opponent. He had an uphill but not impossible climb because of the prestige gap.
How much effort did you devote to the player - visits, promises?
In general, you will get the recruit about 71% of the time when you have a 71-29 lead. If you didnt max out visits and AP and promises, those were things you could have done to improve your odds
5 home visits, 1 school visit, promised playing time AND a starting spot. I GOT SCREWED BY WIS
Well, the other guy probably put on 20 HVs and a CV. You needed to get closer to 20 HVs. I'm guessing 10-12 would have done it though because your prestige advantage was so big here. But I definitely don't consider 5 HVs very much effort at all.
If you're only ahead VH-H, it means you need to put more money on. You're only safe if it's VH-Moderate.
This is interesting to think about. Percentages aside, does effort carry more weight than prestige (at D1, I assume D2 and D3 have prestige weighted a lot more lightly)? How much does it matter WHEN the effort takes place, if at all? Are there any actions that show up in outcomes that aren't reflected in percentages?
Of course effort holds more weight. You have to TRY! All the A+ teams can't just say "I'm A+ so I got this".
There's never going to be guidelines or borders that can be set (due to variance within the prestige grade, AP numbers, preferences, etc). But if an A+ and C+ school target a player and the A+ offers no visits or little visits, the C+ team can easily take the player by offering a bunch. I can't give you an exact example. But if a C+ team offers 8 HV or so, the A+ team won't even be in a roll. Would 7 HV or 9 HV tilt that? Yes. How far? I don't know. But recruiting is all relative. Meaning in a battle, it's effort score vs effort score. If one team doesn't really offer "real effort", then it's not a comparison
Well, of course you have to try. I wasn't suggesting that. What I meant was, if it's a close battle (VH-VH or VH-H), does effort have more of an effect on the outcome than prestige? And if so, is that effect reflected in the percentages? I'm sure it's a hard question to answer definitively. And I don't intend on moving into D1 so it doesn't affect me. I'm just interested in the discussion.
It’s all figured in terms of effort credit accrued. Prestige, preferences, total effort (AP, visits, promises) all play into that. It isn’t disclosed exactly what the relative values are, but generally you can assume that prestige and preferences both modify effort, which is going to be the primary driver. Prestige is still super powerful, because it’s out there by itself. Preferences sometimes cancel each other out, or at least mitigate other factors. But effort - or what I think of as prioritization - is definitely the starting block.
The effort credit leader determines where everyone else sits on the considering list. Assuming the effort credit leader is eligible to sign the player (so a D2 team going after a D1 pool player in the first session is not applicable here), the leader will be listed as Very High, and others will be in relation. When no one is very high, it means either no team has done enough to reach that level yet, or the effort credit leader is a division below the player pool, and behind the “red light”. Important to remember that the final odds are stretched to favor the effort credit leader too, they don’t reflect the difference in effort credit extended in a real sense, what we see has been exaggerated. The effect is that we actually see fewer upsets that way. But on the flip side, the upsets we see look worse than they really are.