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Fascinating. The dimensions and hit ratings for my home park changed, but overall, the Park Factor didn't change much if at all.

6/29/2022 4:46 PM
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Seems like there are typos in at least 3 of the renamed parks: Madison, Charleston and Ottawa. Nbd, just weird to work on this for so long and be sloppy about it.
6/29/2022 7:06 PM
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Well, if you want to use one of the new locations it is apparently limited to the following:
  • London and Cuba are available only in the East
  • Seoul and Tokyo are available only in the West
You would think that since Florida and San Juan are both allowable in both the East and South, Cuba would follow the same logic and since London is farther in the Northern Hemisphere than any other team in HBD, it would be available in both the North and East.
6/29/2022 10:11 PM
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Posted by damag on 6/29/2022 4:46:00 PM (view original):
Fascinating. The dimensions and hit ratings for my home park changed, but overall, the Park Factor didn't change much if at all.

Only 13 of the 92 parks changed park factor. Not sure why this has occurred this way; would like to hear from SiteStaff why that is.
6/29/2022 11:10 PM
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Posted by mattyjim on 6/29/2022 7:06:00 PM (view original):
Seems like there are typos in at least 3 of the renamed parks: Madison, Charleston and Ottawa. Nbd, just weird to work on this for so long and be sloppy about it.
You ask that of a game that proclaims players have been "inactivated"? It's clear that an English teacher (like me!) has never been on their staff.
6/30/2022 1:07 AM
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Comparing "park factor" and ballpark ratings quickly leads one to the conclusion that something doesn't make sense here.

For example, Nashville has completely neutral ratings, with zeroes for every rating, yet its park factor is 1.07. Meanwhile, Houston has zeroes for singles and doubles, but +2 for triples, +2 for homers to LF, and +1 for homers to RF, yet its park factor is 1.06.

I could cite many other examples like this. I always thought that park factor meant the park's effect on runs scored, but apparently not. So what the heck does park factor mean? (Or, it couldmean that there are other factors contributing to runs scored other than park ratings; if so, what are they?)
6/30/2022 1:49 AM (edited)
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I wonder if they left the Park Factor alone and only adjusted the +/- ratings, since that’s the only stuff that ‘matters’.
6/30/2022 6:21 AM
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Posted by hypnotoad on 6/30/2022 6:21:00 AM (view original):
I wonder if they left the Park Factor alone and only adjusted the +/- ratings, since that’s the only stuff that ‘matters’.
OR vice versa. And like Rbedwell said...

I'm in Portland. Park Factor is supposed to be the expected effect on runs scored. My new Park Factor is about the same as before. However, the effect ratings went from -3s to mostly neutrals (0s).

So my take on that is that one of those things - Park Factor and Effect Ratings - must be real, and the other cosmetic. Now I have to guess which, or maybe if I just play out next season and my pitching staff suddenly has a 4.00 ERA I'll know.

6/30/2022 8:12 AM
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I tend to think they just adjusted the cosmetic +/- ratings. That's easy to do. But like damag said, we'll see. I play in Tacoma in Pine Tar, so I should be able to tell by about half-way into this next season. We're getting ready to start Season 58. So if I remember to do it at the end of this season, I'll post a history of my Tacoma team's hits and HR's at home over the past 10 seasons, including this season. Granted, it's a pretty small sample size, but from that we might be able to tell which is real and which is cosmetic.
6/30/2022 8:37 AM (edited)
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My take was always that the +/- stuff (that actually affects gameplay) was derived from ballpark factor calculations (presumably real life factors).

Since this adjustment is fictional, they don't need the factors for any calculations, they can just adjust the +/- as they wish. Going back and altering the factors would seem like a lot of trouble and math.
6/30/2022 10:40 AM
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Posted by hypnotoad on 6/30/2022 10:40:00 AM (view original):
My take was always that the +/- stuff (that actually affects gameplay) was derived from ballpark factor calculations (presumably real life factors).

Since this adjustment is fictional, they don't need the factors for any calculations, they can just adjust the +/- as they wish. Going back and altering the factors would seem like a lot of trouble and math.
Occam's Razor - thank you for the reminder!

6/30/2022 11:24 AM
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So either the park ratings are wrong and the +/- is correct, or vice versa. If the park factors are incorrect and meaningless, shouldn't they have deleted that column? Rather than mislead their customers? I mean, they only had about a year since it was announced to get this right...
6/30/2022 12:58 PM
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Each park has unique elements which impact game play. These park elements (wall height, dimensions, surface, etc.) dictate the park factors. The park factors are the most significant aspect of a ballpark as highlight how a park will perform. A park with a factor of 1.00 is average, above 1.00 should favor hitters, and below 1.00 should favor pitchers.

The effects are illustrated on a -4 to +4 scale where the likelihood of each event is altered by the effect. These ratings are representations of the actual inputs. For instance, a neutral rating will not alter the likelihood of an event, while a +2 may increase its likelihood by a few percent and a +4 a few more percent. +4 for doubles does not necessarily mean the exact same thing as +4 for triples.

6/30/2022 2:02 PM
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tlowster, we know that's what they say. But how can Tacoma go from -4,-4,-4,-4,-4 to 0,-1,-4,-2,-2 and the park factor didn't change?
6/30/2022 3:44 PM
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Agreed. Similar happened in Portland. I looked at the +/- first and thought “yecch” but then saw the PF is still far below neutral.

6/30/2022 4:27 PM
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