Posted by Benis on 7/1/2022 3:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by JerryRay23 on 7/1/2022 2:31:00 PM (view original):
If you have Nebraska and Rutgers in the same conference you might as well add USC and UCLA. I am ok with that. West Virginia in the Big 12 was weird too when it happened. I think it falls in line with coaches and players moving freely from school to school, now the schools can move from conference to conference. Tradition means very little anymore. Maybe that's the NEW tradition... no tradition. I still get freaked out when the Cubs play the Red Sox. Or the Seahawks in the NFC?

Rutgers is - BY FAR - the luckiest school in the history of Earth. How can a program that has won ONE NCCA tourney game in basketball EVER and a football program that hasn't won a bowl game since 2014 get to be in one of these mega conferences. They should thank their lucky stars they play near NYC because they belong in the A10 or something.

And yeah Northwestern sucks too but they're at least a founding member.

I agree-- but as someone who went there briefly, I feel as though I have to point out that Rutgers has 6 NCAA men's tourney wins, including a Final Four in 1976. Doesn't change the validity of the point.

Posted by dedelman on 7/1/2022 4:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 7/1/2022 3:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by JerryRay23 on 7/1/2022 2:31:00 PM (view original):
If you have Nebraska and Rutgers in the same conference you might as well add USC and UCLA. I am ok with that. West Virginia in the Big 12 was weird too when it happened. I think it falls in line with coaches and players moving freely from school to school, now the schools can move from conference to conference. Tradition means very little anymore. Maybe that's the NEW tradition... no tradition. I still get freaked out when the Cubs play the Red Sox. Or the Seahawks in the NFC?

Rutgers is - BY FAR - the luckiest school in the history of Earth. How can a program that has won ONE NCCA tourney game in basketball EVER and a football program that hasn't won a bowl game since 2014 get to be in one of these mega conferences. They should thank their lucky stars they play near NYC because they belong in the A10 or something.

And yeah Northwestern sucks too but they're at least a founding member.

I agree-- but as someone who went there briefly, I feel as though I have to point out that Rutgers has 6 NCAA men's tourney wins, including a Final Four in 1976. Doesn't change the validity of the point.

Damn you got me. You right you right.

I'm not sure weaker current members of the Big 10 and SEC are safe.

If college football officially becomes only about profit, the SEC could dump Vanderbilt and add Clemson...or the 10 dump Northwestern and add Notre Dame.

Commissioners becoming CEOs would have no qualms making such moves.

Baseball may be Vandy’s saving grace in the SEC.

Posted by Benis on 7/1/2022 3:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by JerryRay23 on 7/1/2022 2:31:00 PM (view original):
If you have Nebraska and Rutgers in the same conference you might as well add USC and UCLA. I am ok with that. West Virginia in the Big 12 was weird too when it happened. I think it falls in line with coaches and players moving freely from school to school, now the schools can move from conference to conference. Tradition means very little anymore. Maybe that's the NEW tradition... no tradition. I still get freaked out when the Cubs play the Red Sox. Or the Seahawks in the NFC?

Rutgers is - BY FAR - the luckiest school in the history of Earth. How can a program that has won ONE NCCA tourney game in basketball EVER and a football program that hasn't won a bowl game since 2014 get to be in one of these mega conferences. They should thank their lucky stars they play near NYC because they belong in the A10 or something.

And yeah Northwestern sucks too but they're at least a founding member.

i grew up in new jersey, and my dad went to rutgers... and i never met a single person who ever watched rutgers play anything. i guess occasionally they'd be in a game that someone was watching for some other reason.

i'm not saying there isn't a single rutgers fan in the state... i'm sure there's at least a few dozen or something. just that i never met one.

but i don't think it was so much luck that got them in. rutgers was lucky to make it, sure, but i don't buy that is what got them there...

There is a good chance that Princeton may have a larger fan base than Rutgers.

Posted by strikeout26 on 7/1/2022 7:54:00 PM (view original):
Baseball may be Vandy’s saving grace in the SEC.

This seems to be driven by football metrics only.

If other sports had any clout, there would be a bidding war going on between the SEC and Big 10 for Kansas.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/1/2022 8:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 7/1/2022 7:54:00 PM (view original):
Baseball may be Vandy’s saving grace in the SEC.

This seems to be driven by football metrics only.

If other sports had any clout, there would be a bidding war going on between the SEC and Big 10 for Kansas.

Tbf (and this coming from a KU alum) the football program at Kansas more than likely works against us in terms of conference movement, more so than basketball not having any clout. But yeah, when college football brings in 4x more revenue than basketball, it's going to take priority in most realignment conversations.

Still holding out hope though that perhaps one day we might see a winning KU football team again...

In GD, recruits will tell you if they are a ‘big fan’ of a program - there’s some kind of boost if you are that program.

I swear there are Rutgers fans all over the GD landscape. Amazing reach. I would constantly run into players that were Scarlet Knight fans all over the upper Midwest.

I heard one media person say that WVU is sitting back and waiting for all the cards to fall to see what their future is. The Big 12 was a mistake from the beginning. I've heard the ACC is a strong possibility, but basketball-wise that's as tough as the Big 12 in my opinion with Duke, UNC, and Wake on the rise again. Football...the Mountaineers just don't fit in anywhere, lol. Maybe the FCS.
Anyway, this old man just can't stomach this, lol. If it was a natural progression, sure. But with it being greed, we'll have two 20-team conferences and everyone else will be irrelevant.

Is there a scenario in which Kansas, like UConn, ditches their football team in a lower tier, and joins up with a basketball only conference?
I don't think Kansas and other hoops schools hooking up with the BigEast programs is out of the question. I could envision Syracuse/Duke could also be headed that way as well.

I'm thinking about 60 top football programs end up together, and if you're outside that group, a single top tier basketball group that could join up in March to have a hoops tourney along with the 60 football schools. But then again, maybe those 60 football programs don't think they need the 20-30 hoops programs.

Most people forget that Mark Mangino took Kansas to 3 straight bowl games 2006-2008. And KU has somewhat of a rich football tradition with former players such as Gayle Sayers, Dana Stubblefield, Bobby Douglass, John Hadl, Nolan Cromwell, etc. Yeah, they are going through rough times right now, but I don't know if KU is ready to ditch their football program just yet. I guess it all depends on how the Big 12 comes out of all this mayhem. (btw, not a KU alum, but a proud Big 8/12 alum).

i wonder when the NFL will decide Saturdays are theirs too

the NFL always been careful to leave Fridays and Saturdays to high school and college

but when it's all about money

i think the NFL will decide college is more a competitor than a free farm system

school kids, already having made big money, will have big expectations for more

NFL wants to nip that kinda thinking in the bud

welcome to NFL Saturday, folks

Collegiate athletics has been sick for a very long time. One major symptom is the skyrocketing tuition kids pay, and the fact that some of the highest paid state employees are football coaches. These are pretty serious, unsustainable problems. Realignment doesn’t fix any of that of course, but it fits within the context of it all. From that perspective, for the last 20 years, I’ve pretty much stopped watching concussion-ball altogether; and for basketball I’m resigned to the idea that it’s all temporary and everything is fluid. I grew up cheering for 3 teams, South Dakota St, the local team (and my school); University of Minnesota, the local D1 team, and my other school; and Kansas, the local powerhouse (and what Midwestern kid in the 80s didn’t love Danny Manning?). The goofs are probably stable, as a founding member of the Big 10, but honestly who knows anymore? Everything is fluid. At the end of the day, these are academic institutions for public good. I’ll support my teams, but only to the extent that they serve their function in the community.

This problem isn’t going away until the NCAA is completely overhauled with new mission and guidelines and strong oversight. Basically just a profit generator for universities and their endowment-fund-loving trustees right now.