Diamond Clones Draft Strategy Topic

I love these writeups. Almost as fun as the draft itself.
9/7/2022 10:38 PM
lol ledfoot, my apologies for taking Simmons! can't wait for the first series in this newfound rivalry! lolol
9/8/2022 12:23 PM
Posted by footballmm11 on 9/8/2022 12:23:00 PM (view original):
lol ledfoot, my apologies for taking Simmons! can't wait for the first series in this newfound rivalry! lolol
Oh yeah - It's on :-).

i may have ever so slightly overstated how I was trying to mess you up with every pick after. I was going for the best fit for my team. If it messed you up in the process, I'd call it a win-win :-). And please don't let the Simmons three go off against my team. That would just be mean spirited....
9/8/2022 2:54 PM
Pre-draft plan:
I took the last pick in round 1 because it leaves me to simply pick what I consider best available... it's safe to assume that every player I am looking at will be gone before it gets back to me. I also liked the idea of being able to decide of the two which is a better choice for more versions.
I made a list of 8 pitchers I would like to take back to back in rounds 1 and 2. If two of them were there I would take them. If not go with hitting early and get a rotation out of the higher number picks. I figured i would get a nice dead-ball rotation with approach one and a more modern rotation with approach 2.
Round 1-24, Round 2-1
My pitchers went. None of them were left. Not overly surprised by that. Two hitters it is. First thought was Cobb followed by Mantle. Solid 1-2-3 and a great outfield, but that ends my outfield on the first picks. I need to at least get some other position filled. Thought about Cobb an Foxx but have had some rough experiences with Foxx. Thought about Wagner and Frisch. In the end I decided that a player being short AB's wasn't going to be an impediment in this league so I grabbed George Brett with 1b/3b eligibility and a great bat but very low AB number. Then I get two Ty Cobb's to roam the outfield (or possibly DH).
Round 3-1
Wow... picking earlier than I thought I would. I didn't realize there was a draft flip built in. When I thought this was back to back end of 3rd/beginning of 4th I figured I would be taking a starter and a reliever with these two. Now that I am going early I think I have to go starter. There are still some good ones out there but Roger Clemens seems to be the best three man and covers the "zag" to the dead-baller "zig." Now I just have to hope people are setting their lineups with the dead-ballers in mind and perhaps I can get some kind of benefit from one of the steroid kings.
Round 4-24, Round 5-1
So long between picks. Most of the relievers went right where I expected. Before my pick. I looked at Nen and Britton. Then I looked at three starters when I needed at least 4. And why do I need relievers? I can just use starters in the bullpen. I also need to cover Catcher, 1B or 3B, 2B, SS, and either two OF or an OF and a DH. I like maintaining speed and average at first and see a bunch of SS's I like still around. I missed out on Ted so I can grab his replacement and the multiple high average/good power seasons of Carl Yastrzemski. Now 1B, DH an all OF spots are set (plus). My list of starters consisted of Brown, Santana, Grenkie and Ryan. Quickly narrowed to Nolan Ryan ... so I should have one of the leagues best OAV numbers (reality, lets see in WIS). In retrospect I think I might have been better off taking Grenkie (better total of 5 seasons).
Round 6-24, Round 7-1
Plan is now set. Take care of MI with these two back-to-back picks. That leaves me with three spots to take care of Catcher and whatever else I think I need. Still want to maintain high averages and good or better speed. Also want to get some right handed bats. I have had my eye on Pesky and breathed a sigh of relief when he went so I wasn't tempted to add another LH bat. With the 4 clone pick I took Paul Molitor who would give me a high average 2B, the extra 3B AB I need, a RH bat to take some days at DH and 1B... so full time 2B and super utility with a ton of AB's? Looking at his stats I couldn't help but feel he is underrated. My 7th round pick was a guy I had in mind for this spot for a while. The flaw in Nomar Garciparria's 2000 season is the lack of AB's. The flaw in his 1999 season is the AB's and looking at his 2000 season. I can platoon them to cover SS and he can hit third in my line up every day. Should have plenty of RBI opportunity with the two Cobb's hitting in front. I will also take his 06 LA season at 1B as a defensive replacement.
Round 8-24, Round 9-1
I knew I would be making these picks from a phone either on the road or on a remote campsite I had canoed to on the Maine/NH boarder. I knew at least one of them would be a catcher. I also thought about taking another pitcher, likely a lefty. In the end I took what I think is the best R/L platoon at catcher I could create here. '11 Mike Napoli with his .320/.414/.631 and A/A+/A defense on one side and '93 Rick Wilkins and his .306/.376/.561 and A/A/A+ behind the dish. There were probably better picks I could have made here, but I like the idea of a comfortable platoon here, one with bat and glove. Even more importantly, at the time it was easier than trying to sift through players...


Line up
Vs R Vs L
Ty Cobb '10 (L) Ty Cobb '10 (L)
Ty Cobb '11 (L) Ty Cobb '11 (L)
George Brett '80 (L) Nomar Garciaparra '00 (R)
Carl Yastrzemski '70 (L) Mike Napoli '11 (R)
Carl Yastrzemski '67 (L) Carl Yastrzemski '67 (L)
Nomar Garciaparra '99 (R) Paul Molitor '87 (R)
Rick Wilkins '93 (L) Paul Molitor '94 (R)
Carl Yastrzemski '68 (L) Carl Yastrzemski '70 (L)
Paul Molitor '79 (R) Paul Molitor '89 (R)
Pitching
SP Roger Clemens '97 (R)
SP Roger Clemens '05 (R)
SP Roger Clemens '86 (R)
SP Nolan Ryan '81 (R)
RP Nolan Ryan '87 (R)
RP Nolan Ryan '90 (R)
RP Nolan Ryan '89 (R)
RP Nolan Ryan '91 (R)
9/8/2022 5:42 PM
The idea for this league came to me as a result of participating in two very fun clone leagues. The first was NebHusker's "Eight is Enough" in which you find a team on baseball reference and take eight players and use them and only them. The second was fatguyrd's "Clone Wars Progressive" where you get to use 10 players in a progressing 5-year period. Again, you have to make due with only a finite number of players to cover all pitching, hitting, and fielding needs. I liked that challenge and thought that a 1-2-3-4-5 clone draft to fill the first 15 roster spots would be a fun draft. The idea of the final four rounds of 4-3-2-1 to finish the team came a bit later and the diamond aspect was just too tempting to not throw it out there.

The feature of each owner choosing their draft position was a great suggestion and locked in my preference to align by draft order so we knew in advance who we would be competing with in the same division. Schwarze suggested massaging the draft order and I liked that as well and we were ready to go.

Now, 63 games into the schedule I am revisiting my strategy. Keep in mind that I have never been at or above .500 all year to date.

Round 1 - My first-round pick draft position turned out to be #11. My priority for this round was to either get a stud middle infielder that had enough PA/162 as to not need a backup. First on my wish list was Lajoie but he went at 1.5. Actually, if King Kelly had fallen to me to get catcher out of the way, I would have taken him but that was not meant to be. Kelly went at 1.9. Foxx was still there as a possible one and done for the catcher position but surprisingly, the only other middle-infielder that was a must-take was still on the board so I grabbed Rogers Hornsby at 1.11

Round 2 - A lot of prime pitchers had been getting taken before it got back to me in Round 2. I originally had going for either starting pitching or outfield in this spot and when Babe Adams was available at 2.14 I picked him without hesitation. His 1919 season is one of my very favorites and the 1909 middle relief rookie season would also be useful.

Round 3 - Originally I had planned to go OF here and there were still several available with 3 stud seasons on the board. However, I was getting nervous about getting sufficient SP slots filled without using too many rounds. I was hoping for Carl Hubbell to last for LHP balance but he went at 3.9. I really wasn't looking at guys with high HR/9 ratios but Justin Verlander had three really low WHIP seasons as a starter and the one short IP season in spite of the HR/9 problem so I considered him good value at 3.14.

Round 4 - Not surprisingly, the best RPs were starting to go. Mariano was long gone. Gagne, Kimbrel, Eck, A Miller, Wagner, Nathan, Jansen, and Wilhelm all went ahead of me within 13 picks of each other just ahead of me. I jumped on the wave and took 4 versions of Trevor Hoffman at 4.11. My only regret is that now I have 9 pitchers on the roster, all RHPs. That and the fact that I only have a total of one position player.

Round 5 - Having eight hitting positions yet to fill, I needed somebody here that could fill at least 3 positions. Naturally, OF looked like the way to go but there were still so many options available there and some would be available next round. Also, it looked as if an abnormally high percentage of pitchers taken were righties, not only on my team but throughout. Looking pretty much at lefties or swich-hitters here made sense and most if not all switch-hitters with at least 4 useable seasons were gone. Wade Boggs can play 1b, 3b and DH and still have 2 more stud seasons for backup so I took him at 5.14 and waited for my preferred OF to slip to me in Round 6.

Round 6- Of course, schwarze took Paul Waner later on in Round 5 so I had to scramble and make sure I got value out of all four clones from this round. I started looking at some of the high-average hitters from the 1890s and got stuck on Elmer Smith. He had three high AB/162 seasons that are pretty strong, decent defensive OF ratings and also has a 500+ IP/162 usable LHP pitching season for long relief, and spot start. He fell into my roster like a tetris piece at 6.11

Round 7 - Now, I find myself only needing a catcher and a shortstop. Everything else could be a support piece but then again I only get six total players in these remaining three rounds. Instead of waiting on catcher, I went for Bill Dickey at 7.14, who has 3 really strong seasons and give me enough PA/162 where I will never have to worry about fatigue at catcher.

Round 8 - Two more rounds and only three more players. I need to fill shortstop, many are still available, or a wild card. If I take the SS this round, I can have plenty of options to shuttle two players into the lineup and avoid fatigue and also have one give Hornsby a break. And if I do not take a SS here, both the eventual pick in Round 9 and Hornsby would have to play every inning. I had to check if there were any pitchers that were too good to pass up and thought that Zack Greinke at 8.11 was exactly that.

Round 9 - I needed a SS with a lot of PA/162. With plenty of firepower in my lineup already, I decided to go with high-range, switch-hitting SS Dave Bancroft to complete my team at 9.14

I thoroughly enjoyed this draft and was encouraged by the chatter that many owners may be up for a modified version to be run back.

At this point, I would like to try to do this one more time with exactly the same drafting parameters but blacklisting everyone that was chosen this time around. Since the regular season here runs until 10/31, I would hope to get this follow-up draft started right around 11/1 and try to fill the league with commitments a little before then. Everyone here gets first shot at coming back and you can let me know anytime if you are in, or if you are not interested.



9/29/2022 1:28 AM
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