Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 1/19/2010The recruiting premise doesn't change, the core is the same for all 3 divisions.

colonels. here's where stuff always gets mixed up. you are arguing one thing, z the other...

no the tools used in recruiting dont change. (except for boosters). BUT the strategy is COMPLETELY different at all three levels. 100% night/day difference from DII to DI.

heck, there's a huge difference from entry level DI to upper echelon DI.

yes, you are right. at DIII you send out letters. at DIII you do evals. at DIIII you do HVs and CVs. and YES you do all those things at DI as well. BUT ITS STILL COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

Quote: Originally Posted By furry_nipps on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 1/19/2010 If you think I don't understand recruiting despite being relatively successful doing it, then you're wrong, the end, that's it for me. That's been my only point here.

Looking at your team you signed 2 SO. One was a guard with 20 ath/53 speed/ 29 per/ 48 BH and 45 passing. That is someone I *might* sign in div III, but is trash at your level.


your big has 32 ath/30 speed/68 reb and 39 lp. He is okay if he was a 4 yr player. Again, nothing special. His reb coming in would have been solid, but that is all.


The SO SF is the only good player you got, but all SF are average at everything with potential now.


The JR PF? 34 reb? really?




While you may be happy with them only 1 is average, 2 I would consider for my div III team and the 4th is 100% junk. I wouldn't say you've had much success at recruiting

I don't have quite the discriminating eye that you guys do yet, but the 2 guys I signed this past season had very high WEs and I took that into account and was a big reason I went after them. The first 2 guys I'll give that to you, I was coming off of a 15 season hiatus.

Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 1/19/2010 The recruiting premise doesn't change, the core is the same for all 3 divisions.

colonels. here's where stuff always gets mixed up. you are arguing one thing, z the other...

no the tools used in recruiting dont change. (except for boosters). BUT the strategy is COMPLETELY different at all three levels. 100% night/day difference from DII to DI.

heck, there's a huge difference from entry level DI to upper echelon DI.

yes, you are right. at DIII you send out letters. at DIII you do evals. at DIIII you do HVs and CVs. and YES you do all those things at DI as well. BUT ITS STILL COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

What I've always taken exception with here is that he said I don't understand recruiting at all and that I'm a virtual know-nothing about recruiting just because I haven't recruited at D1, despite having relative success (filling my scholarships) at D2.

Completely throw out the fact that I ever suggested simplifying recruiting, nobody was never on board with it and it was never going to happen anyway, but Zach persistently harps on this point even though its secondary to the argument that he's making against me.

Not bashing him at all or anything and I'll leave his name out, but a friend of mine that is relatively new at the game doesn't understand recruiting yet, in HD he's never landed a recruit. He's so used to the EA Sports setup that I try to help him out (insert the blind leading the blind comments) and make suggestions so he can fill his scholarship spots in the future.

I did not harp on anything that was not central to the argument. You once again continue to be closed minded about this and fail to understand the obviousness of my argument and continue to take everything personally. I said numerous times this had nothing to do with you as a coach but the fact that you have not experienced recruiting yet and because of that you can not say that you understand recruting as a whole to be able to make the statements that you have about it.

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Also, why would you go after Juco players? Unless you have over 7 'ships or are missing 1 key piece that a juco has to offer you should almost never target them. This changes in div I where a lot can make impacts, but div III/Div II jucos are usually the WORST option.

Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 1/19/2010Also, why would you go after Juco players? Unless you have over 7 'ships or are missing 1 key piece that a juco has to offer you should almost never target them. This changes in div I where a lot can make impacts, but div III/Div II jucos are usually the WORST option.

I started reading this and was like... No at d1...

Then I saw you had said it. Exactly another difference in recruiting between d2/3 and d1. I have recruited a couple transfers and jucos at the lower levels, but they are few and far between at that level.

Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 1/19/2010Also, why would you go after Juco players? Unless you have over 7 'ships or are missing 1 key piece that a juco has to offer you should almost never target them. This changes in div I where a lot can make impacts, but div III/Div II jucos are usually the WORST option.

I started reading this and was like... No at d1...

Then I saw you had said it. Exactly another difference in recruiting between d2/3 and d1. I have recruited a couple transfers and jucos at the lower levels, but they are few and far between at that level.

Transfers at the lower level are fine. Div I juco drop downs/pull downs for div II seem to also be fine. Clearly his guys were not drop downs though. The average juco at the lower level is no better then the average 4 year player.

This would be another good change WIS could make. I wish you could get some good 550ish rated SO/JR juco who are willing to go play at div III. These guys just don't fall through the cracks and or are not willing to play at a low level with there ratings.

Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 1/19/2010This would be another good change WIS could make. I wish you could get some good 550ish rated SO/JR juco who are willing to go play at div III. These guys just don't fall through the cracks and or are not willing to play at a low level with there ratings.

i kind of wonder if they have actually toned it back. i never signed many jucos early on but i signed a 3 star soph sg ranked in the 40s in d2 on an a- prestige. seems like i can't even get close to that with jucos nowadays...

If colonboy defines success as "filling all his scholarships" do you really want to waste anymore time arguing with him?

Like I said, my scouting needs work, I will probably take heed of some of the stuff that furry said, but to date, I still got the 4 guys I sought, so again I'm not the best recruiter out there, but for zhawks to tell me that I don't understand recruiting at all is ridiculous. Yes I don't understand D1 recruiting, however that doesn't mean that I don't recruit well where I'm at currently, thus I'm taking exception to the ENTIRETY of Zach's claim...he doesn't realize that he states huge blanket statements that aren't true and that's why he keeps saying the same thing over and over and over again.

If he simply wants to state that I don't understand D1 recruiting, fine....he wants to say I don't understand recruiting, period, HA!...that's laughable.

....simply......amazing.....the guy that got screwed gave up 12 pages ago after the highjacking occurred...LOL

He didn't have anything more to say.

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/20/2010
If he simply wants to state that I don't understand D1 recruiting, fine....he wants to say I don't understand recruiting, period, HA!...that's laughable.

Colonels, get off your high horse. What I said (numerous times) and you failed to understand (numerous times) was that you don't understand recruiting as a whole (like you just agreed yourself, saying that you don't understand d1 recruiting, so therefore you can not say that you understand recruiting as a whole) and therefore you are unable to understand how critical the first 2 days of recruiting are to d1 speceficialy and because of that you can't understand how idiotic your idea is to destroy them.

I am done with this argument and won't respond to anymore of your uneducated posts, troll.