in a "catch and shoot" isnt the offensive player in the act of shooting before he even touches the ball? he has .7 seconds to catch the ball and release it.

we're talking tenths of seconds here. even if it "technically" was a reach-in foul, the offensive player is releasing the ball .4 seconds after the foul. You guys are talking about a matrix-esque defender here. And a ref that can see it.

Either way i'm standing by my comment. If its a foul on the floor then no time runs off the clock. Once the offensive player touches the ball he is shooting, thus it can only be a shooting foul.

Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 10/18/2009in a "catch and shoot" isnt the offensive player in the act of shooting before he even touches the ball? he has .7 seconds to catch the ball and release it.

we're talking tenths of seconds here. even if it "technically" was a reach-in foul, the offensive player is releasing the ball .4 seconds after the foul. You guys are talking about a matrix-esque defender here. And a ref that can see it.

Either way i'm standing by my comment. If its a foul on the floor then no time runs off the clock. Once the offensive player touches the ball he is shooting, thus it can only be a shooting foul

not true - there is a human factor in real life where they hit the time clock as soon as they can but its not to a tenth of a second efficietcy (sp)... im drunk. go atlanta.

This also happened in a Rutgers Stanford woman's basketball game a few years ago. Reach in foul was called 75 ft from the basket with .1 second . Stanford hit the free throws to win.

kelby has never understood how to control the Tang

Quote: Originally posted by nacorwin on 10/18/2009This also happened in a Rutgers Stanford woman's basketball game a few years ago. Reach in foul was called 75 ft from the basket with .1 second . Stanford hit the free throws to win.

that was a missed shot with 5 seconds . the other team got the rebound and was running out the clock and got fouled. it was a crazy play, but nothing like the situation here. i'm telling you guys, nothing like this has ever happened. and it never will, its physically impossible.

Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 10/19/2009it never will, its physically impossible.

Sorry, but that's just wrong. First, we are assuming it was 1.0 seconds. How does that work in HD? Could it have been 1.5 or something, where he would have been able to take a dribble?

Second, it's not "physically impossible." It's incredibly unlikely, and the clock should not wind down to exactly 0.0 seconds, but clocks are a function of human manipulation, so things like that are definitely possible in real life. In HD, there's no human factor, so maybe there should still have been fractions of a second on the clock.

Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 10/19/2009

Quote: Originally posted by nacorwin on 10/18/2009 This also happened in a Rutgers Stanford woman's basketball game a few years ago. Reach in foul was called 75 ft from the basket with .1 second . Stanford hit the free throws to win.

that was a missed shot with 5 seconds . the other team got the rebound and was running out the clock and got fouled. it was a crazy play, but nothing like the situation here. i'm telling you guys, nothing like this has ever happened. and it never will, its physically impossible.

That's my opinion on the situation. Hitting a fullcourt 3 would of been much more realistic than that. My only defense for the simengine is that its limited in the calls it can make and can't describe every situation that happens in basketball.

Without arguing over the semantics of this exact situation, I think the bigger issue (and kel, I think you would agree), is that we see altogether too many ridiculous things like this happen in the last couple seconds of games. And I do believe that should be addressed.

How about the obvious answer? HD is just messing with Kelby03.

They do that to other coaches too?? i thought it was just to me. . . .

Quote: Originally Posted By girt25 on 10/19/2009
Without arguing over the semantics of this exact situation, I think the bigger issue (and kel, I think you would agree), is that we see altogether too many ridiculous things like this happen in the last couple seconds of games. And I do believe that should be addressed.

I personally think its the limited play phrasing that wis uses. This situation should be better described especially at the end of a game but I don't think as is the system supports those descriptions.

for instance: Tang receives the inbound pass and is fouled as player x reaches in an attempt for the steal. [double bonus]

next play after the FTs: .01 secs: Clock expires as player y gets the inbound pass but fails to get the shot off.



jmho.

Moy, you could be right. Or perhaps it's a little of both.

But even some of the ways that players behave at the end of games (why in God's name would you be reaching in for a steal at that point?) leaves something to be desired imo. There have also long seemed to be too many halfcourt and/or desperation makes, etc.

I was actually up by 1 a couple seasons back and my player fouls with no time and the opposing team hits both free throws to win a game that decided the conference championship... Sucks

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 10/19/2009

Moy, you could be right. Or perhaps it's a little of both.

But even some of the ways that players behave at the end of games (why in God's name would you be reaching in for a steal at that point?) leaves something to be desired imo. There have also long seemed to be too many halfcourt and/or desperation makes, etc.

Could be both. two things to keep in mind:

1) we play 12-13 NCAA seasons simultaneously so rare occasions in RL are 12-13 times more relevant (or seem to be) in HD on any given night. If we tracked one world it would relate to RL more accurately. That said, if we tracked one world and the results of uncommon plays are much more common than in RL then its the sim fo' shizzo'.

2) Currently - "Player X makes the half court shot" and time expired.

Could this mean Player X hits a 35 footer at the buzzer? Player X is behind the half court line when he hits the 3? Is a desperation shot a 30 footer, cause those are made pretty often in RL (not evrytime but more frequent than a 70 footer..... I think a big piece of this is the lack of description. I'd be less ****** if they said "Player X gets the ball and hits the desperation 3 from 28 feet" rather than "sorry you lose on the desperation 3" as it pretty much is now. There needs to be better end of game and halftime pbp descriptions - these are huge plays at this point and its a smack in the face as it stands now.

As far as why would a player reach in with a tie game and 1 tick - thats because they are college players. Chris webbers time out. UAB vs zona. frequent shooting fouls with no time . Tyus Edney driving the entire floor right to the hoop with 7.0 secs in the game. mistakes are made all the time. It would be nice if these "mistakes" were more closely aligned with Def IQ... I don't know if they are right now. never checked.