i'm talking about your example from crum

I think this shows why not contacting a recruit at all can be dangerous to Assume that he is with you. Those $10 phone calls have a purpose at D1 methinks. Maybe then you would have known. And if you only spent $13-$16k, you only would be leading by a slight amount, so the compounding factor could have gotten you.

Quote: Originally posted by reinsel on 10/18/2009I think this shows why not contacting a recruit at all can be dangerous to Assume that he is with you.   Those $10 phone calls have a purpose at D1 methinks.  Maybe then you would have known.  And if you only spent $13-$16k, you only would be leading by a slight amount, so the compounding factor could have gotten you.

Actually Reinsel, I spent over $28k.

blazor, if you are even 1/3 a grade less prestige, 28k likely was not enough, but it also depends on how many open scholies your sim opponent had, the worst case is when the sim has 3 open scholies and some tourny money, they put it all into one guy.

Quote: Originally posted by moy23 on 10/18/2009I thought it had someting to do with the amount of time a recruit has been considering a school and that recuiting credit that was placed to prevent poaching.  For instance - in cycle 1 simai throws down 15,000 on the recruit and you throw down 5,000.  the recruit considers both teams at this point.  then in cycle two you throw down another 5,000, cycle 3 another 5,000 or so.... and finally you are in the lead.  Simmy's 15,000 has been compounding slightly faster than your 15,000 since they have had it all on that recruit longer. I don't like it but I think this is the case. 

Considering credit does not start until day 2 of recruiting so the fact that the sim was on before the first cycle does not matter.

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The explanation I got on this back in the day when it happened to me a couple of times was that the apparent "you're ahead" message was being sent to both schools, so that what appeared to me to be a solid lead was instead a virtual tie.

Quote: Originally Posted By blazor on 10/18/2009

Okay, this is now the second season in a row in two different worlds that this has happened to me.



I sent in a ticket and I'm curious to see if I get the same very weak excuse I got last time.I was recruiting SF-David Smith, going up against Murray St., a SIM coached team.



Now according to WIS, a SIM team does NOT make any additional recruiting efforts beyond what it first puts in on a player. So how do you explain this? After increasing the number of promised minutes to Smith I received this message from him at 11:01 PM on 10/15/09."Hey coach, your scholarship offer really means a lot to me. I can see myself at St. Bonaventure next season. Hopefully nothing changes between now and the signing period." - David Smith



That was the last communication I received from this player until 8:00 AM this morning when I received the "Too Late" message. Now please tell me, how the hell does that happen?



In fact, according to WIS, it can't!Once you are the lead school against a SIM, the race is supposed to be over unless another human coached team enters the picture. And they did not.



Mind you, like I said before this is actually the 2nd time IN A ROW something like this has happened. The same thing occurred in Crum the last time we recruited. Except it happened with 3 different players at the same time. I had 3 players flip-flop on me TWICE. They suddenly started considering me, even though I had made no additional recruiting effort.And then they were not even considering me again the very next cycle.I really didn’t care then, because I knew I shouldn’t have been in the running in the first place.But it was clearly a glitch in the system.



Now this time I become a player’s first choice against a SIM coached team, only to have him change his mind later, even though SIMs aren't supposed to be able to make additional recruiting effort?!?



I’ve been a customer at WIS a long time now.But in these tough economic times, I don't have the money to keep throwing at a game that obviously is not working properly.



So I've sent in my ticket asking if they would please take a look at this latest glitch in Rupp, and let me know what if anything is going to be done to correct it. That way I can decide what I'm going to do about WIS.



Anybody else experiencing similar issues?

I'm fairly certain that you were close, but you weren't in the lead. This has been discussed before where the same message (i.e. I could see my self playing there) doesn't give a clear answer, meaning that you could have been slightly losing or slightly winning when you received it. At any rate, too close.

He could certainly see himself at St. Bonny, but he might see himself at others schools too. I'm fairly certain most kids look forward to the signing period. You just don't know 100%. No where does he say he's money in the bank. Did you make another call or call his coach or send a package? I'm reading in all instances, the answer is no. Those things can provide more clarity, but as it was, I'm fairly certain you weren't in the lead. That particular message doesn't mean you were in the lead 100% of the time. It can sometimes, but not always. There are certain messages that could go either way. Most would want to spend an extra $100 to find out for sure.

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Do they have that figure? Inquiring minds want to know

I'm fairly certain that you were close, but you weren't in the lead. This has been discussed before where the same message (i.e. I could see my self playing there) doesn't give a clear answer, meaning that you could have been slightly losing or slightly winning when you received it. At any rate, too close.

He could certainly see himself at St. Bonny, but he might see himself at others schools too. I'm fairly certain most kids look forward to the signing period. You just don't know 100%. No where does he say he's money in the bank. Did you make another call or call his coach or send a package? I'm reading in all instances, the answer is no. Those things can provide more clarity, but as it was, I'm fairly certain you weren't in the lead. That particular message doesn't mean you were in the lead 100% of the time. It can sometimes, but not always. There are certain messages that could go either way. Most would want to spend an extra $100 to find out for sure.

Hey Rails,

If that is the case then I have another problem with this process. Based on the messages we get, there IS no way to be sure...ever! The how the hell are you supposed to know when you don't have to spend any additional funds? Spending an extra $100 does absolutely nothing to let you know for SURE. Based on the nature of the messages we get, there is no "sure". Because every single response we get comes with a less that 100% commitment to signing.

The bottom line for me comes down to this: If you receive a positive response, you should be able to assume it's in fact just that...a positive response until you receive a negative one. The messages should in fact be more clear so you know where you stand at that time. And the issue still remains that if a player changes his mind, one way or the other, you should get some kind of notification letting you know that. That way you have an opportunity to act in accordance.

Besides, based on my response from WIS, they acknowledge that something went wrong. And they are still "looking into it to see what happened", which obviously does me no good at this point since recruiting is now over. I'm just not happy about spending money for years in a world, only to have everything blown up over something so ridiculously vague.

Thanks for all the input guys. Think I'm just gonna step away a bit from WIS. Just don't feel like continuing to pour my money down a black hole just for nonsense like this to keep happening.

Quote: Originally Posted By brianp87 on 10/19/2009Do they have that figure? Inquiring minds want to kno

still trying to get a more accurate answer, for some reason my wording must be unclear, this seems to be a fairly easy ? on a fairly minor subject, doesn't it?

UPDATE:

WIS has confirmed that an error was in fact made, and the player has been awarded to my team. I do believe there is currently a glich with recruiting, since this is the 2nd time in a row I have seen this kind of thing happening. And if you read this entire thread, you will see where others are having the same experiences. Hopefully WIS will figure out what is going on and get it fixed.

And just to be clear, I'm talking about the random, unexplained changes in messages from recruits when no additional recruiting efforts have been made. I think that is were the core of this problem currently exists.

Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 10/19/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By brianp87 on 10/19/2009
Do they have that figure? Inquiring minds want to know

still trying to get a more accurate answer, for some reason my wording must be unclear, this seems to be a fairly easy ? on a fairly minor subject, doesn't it

Good luck

Wow, that's great news, blazor. Nice work getting CS to rectify your issue. Thanks for getting WIS to work on this. Never happened to me (yet), but if it did, I would be as confused as you were.