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Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 10/29/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 10/29/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By mullycj on 10/28/2009

Using FCP with single digit defenders to create +20 TOs per game while also limiting opponents to < 40% shooting.

i thought this thread was for things that no longer work...



hmmmm... things that no longer work, eh?

things that no longer work------> Vandydave?

oldave's sense of humor.
10/29/2009 2:50 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 10/29/2009
I used to try the exact opposite of whatever the latest forum fact whine was about,

in response to 'DT the guards and play -5', I started to DT the big men and play +2 - result it worked so well, eventually daalter convinced CS that I was exploiting a glitch, and the engine was changed (this happenned almost 3 years ago, december and was b4 I started playing elite schools anywhere)

Greatest thing about this story, to the best of my knowledge, CS has never acknowledged that dt the guards / -5 was a glitch.

second best thing about this story, when they took away the 'glitch', they also took away the effectiveness of DT'ing

It actually was a pretty serious glitch ... a mistake in the code was causing teams that used multiple double teams to rebound much more effectively than normal, rather than much less effectively.

It practically took me obtaining a citation from Congress to get them to listen, but eventually they did. Unfortunately, it wasn't til after maj beat me with that strategy in the DII Allen title game ... I knew exactly which two players he was going to dt, gameplanned accordingly, and still lost. Not that I'm bitter ...

And there were a few other times they (eventually) listened to me ... I helped them uncover the combo defense glitch and a handful of other problems. But it literally took me screaming from the rooftops for a long period of time and pounding the forums for them to come around (after first assuring me many times that I was totally off base).

But yeah ... they generally didn't listen.
10/29/2009 3:34 PM
But OR, I do fondly remember our yearly WConn-Methodist battles in Allen ... man, the non-con skeds I had every season were a blast, w. you, rails, bluespruce, joelhall, stunoell, stevea and a host of HOF coaches packed in every season.

I guess that may actually be an old school memory for me ... DIII actually being relevant and full of top-notch coaches.
10/29/2009 3:37 PM
Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 10/29/2009But OR, I do fondly remember our yearly WConn-Methodist battles in Allen ... man, the non-con skeds I had every season were a blast, w. you, rails, bluespruce, joelhall, stunoell, stevea and a host of HOF coaches packed in every season. I guess that may actually be an old school memory for me ... DIII actually being relevant and full of top-notch coaches.


wooden DIII dalt! its the place to be, and it will still be hopping even after the DII Rupp hoopla dies down. . .
10/30/2009 6:09 AM
polo all the credit in the world to how u promote and pump up your conference, but allen d3 back then was something, all the top guys played each other in the non conf, the minnesota conf had 10-12 top coaches (rails, tarek, stunnell, joe hall, blue spruce), everyone else was kind of scatterred all over. for some reason, the NT worked out that the top 6-8 coaches played each other deep into the tourny - I think I played rails twice a year for 5 out of 6 years during one stretch for example.

noone had to post or sitemail asking guys to play, it just happenned, kind of like that old neighborhood touch football game back in the 'leave it to beaver' era - LOL
10/30/2009 7:52 AM
Lol, that's right, I remember whenever the brackets would come out and I'd look at potential matchups down the road, it would almost always be guys I'd already played during the season (and the season before ...)

I also remember often leaving non-con play at something like 5-5, thinking "what's wrong with my team", and then storming through my conference would make me remember, "Oh, I just played 10 of the best 20 teams in the country, that's why ..."
10/30/2009 8:39 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 10/30/2009
Lol, that's right, I remember whenever the brackets would come out and I'd look at potential matchups down the road, it would almost always be guys I'd already played during the season (and the season before ...)

I also remember often leaving non-con play at something like 5-5, thinking "what's wrong with my team", and then storming through my conference would make me remember, "Oh, I just played 10 of the best 20 teams in the country, that's why ..."



daalter - right now I would not even consider doing what we used to do in d3 now in d1, for two main reasons:

1 - elite conf play is so hard, that 10-6 is often a great record, couple with a 5-5 non con, that is 15-11, and that won't cut it in d1, even with a top ten SOS, RPI

2 - HCA is so overwhelming in d1 A+ type teams at least, that away games vs A+ teams simply are no fun (for me), regardless of the coach or the rilvary, even today HCA is almost meaningless in d3

1B - if you don't win 20 plus games, you won't get ranked top ten, regardless of your team's ability, if you don't get ranked, you don't get a high seed, if you don't get a high seed, you need to win one more quality game to win the national title
10/30/2009 10:19 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 10/30/2009
polo all the credit in the world to how u promote and pump up your conference, but allen d3 back then was something, all the top guys played each other in the non conf, the minnesota conf had 10-12 top coaches (rails, tarek, stunnell, joe hall, blue spruce), everyone else was kind of scatterred all over. for some reason, the NT worked out that the top 6-8 coaches played each other deep into the tourny - I think I played rails twice a year for 5 out of 6 years during one stretch for example.

noone had to post or sitemail asking guys to play, it just happenned, kind of like that old neighborhood touch football game back in the 'leave it to beaver' era - LOL

Wasn't Allen D3 Miac v NW every year? I think I remember that from my time at George Fox.
10/30/2009 11:18 AM
I don't think it was usually planned, it just naturally happened. I started in Allen season #1 at Pacific Lutheran in D3 Allen. After 4 years I moved up, eventually to Gonzaga where I remain today. Anyways, some newbie named joe hall took over at Pacific Lutheran and completely lucked his way to 22 straight tourney appearances with some national championships along the way.

The conference was so much fun that it made me reenter Allen with a 2nd ID, jennings1.
10/30/2009 11:58 AM
YES! Allen MIAC versus Northwest - those were definitely the good ol' days, with regular non-conf against teams like WConnSt, Methodist, Swarthmore, etc.! Still the most fun I've ever had in HD.

After a lot of the old Northwest coaches moved on or quit, I finally moved up to D2 from Whitman for 6 seasons, but it never had the spark of the old D3 rivalries, so I moved back down and decided to rebuild St. Olaf (landing on the other side of the former MIAC/Northwest rivalry!). Rails, of course, had built St. Olaf into that absolutely incredible dynasty but it had fallen on hard times since he .

If things go well this year (my 4th year back in D3), I'm crossing my fingers that we'll contend for the first NT bid for St. Olaf since Rails was there.

And if anyone's interested in returning to (or joining) Allen D3, we've got a group of great coaches in the Allen MIAC (including coaches still there from the old days - like stunoell and schaefdawg). With 6 sim teams as well, we've got plenty of room to add a few more humans! Season just started, but you can always reserve for next season. :) </sales job>
10/30/2009 12:19 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 10/28/2009
recruiting with my D3 team in hawaii.

I think i recruited one player ever other year or so from hawaii.

most times they were not quite good enogh for D2, but were plenty good for me.

for instance, several bigmen who had really good RE and LP (like sul pointed out) and became my all-time leading rebounders and scorers

if you happened to get in a battle, the trick was to send literally hundreds of calls and letters. there was no limit in those days and it seemed that these calls and letters were almost as effective, dollar for dollar, as a local home or campus visit, and of course waaay more effective than visits from such a great distance.

oh, one other old school thing that i havent seen lately--- players named T-Bone! in fact, in my very first season ever, i went to hawaii and got a kid named T-Bone Canter who turned into a rebounding monster (still my all time leading rebounder) and whom the oneonta fans nicknamed "Hawaiian Punch". i loved that he was named T-Bone, but later found out that there were several T-Bones around. maybe that name is still around (I cant believe they would have discontinued it) but i havent seen it in quite some time.

My favorite player ever was T-Bone Law at Div II Goldey-Beacom in Naismith about 25 seasons ago. He led us to back-to-back Final Fours (my first ever big success). I was pleased to see he's still the all-time leading scorer. I like to think he stuck with me as an assistant coach who doesn't send annoying emails about Sopranos Season 5.

10/30/2009 12:56 PM
I was considering picking up GFox again the other day, for old times sake haha.
10/30/2009 12:57 PM
there is absolutely no way that any D3 ever rivaled IbaD3 in the early days. preseason tourneys. bigtime rivalries. powerful conferences and lots and lots and lots of top coaches. plus, the iba forum was THE place to be.
10/30/2009 1:09 PM
Don't know about Iba in the early days but Tark D3 was really good up until about 6 months ago. The ASC was definitely one of the best D3 conferences in any world for a long time and there were several other very good conferences. The board was also very popular, now it seems all individual world boards are dead.
10/30/2009 1:27 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 10/30/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 10/30/2009

Lol, that's right, I remember whenever the brackets would come out and I'd look at potential matchups down the road, it would almost always be guys I'd already played during the season (and the season before ...)

I also remember often leaving non-con play at something like 5-5, thinking "what's wrong with my team", and then storming through my conference would make me remember, "Oh, I just played 10 of the best 20 teams in the country, that's why ..."




daalter - right now I would not even consider doing what we used to do in d3 now in d1, for two main reasons:

1 - elite conf play is so hard, that 10-6 is often a great record, couple with a 5-5 non con, that is 15-11, and that won't cut it in d1, even with a top ten SOS, RPI

2 - HCA is so overwhelming in d1 A+ type teams at least, that away games vs A+ teams simply are no fun (for me), regardless of the coach or the rilvary, even today HCA is almost meaningless in d3

1B - if you don't win 20 plus games, you won't get ranked top ten, regardless of your team's ability, if you don't get ranked, you don't get a high seed, if you don't get a high seed, you need to win one more quality game to win the national title
100% agreed.

I will say though, I used to wear my SOS like a badge of honor ... at least one season in Allen, both my DII and DIII teams finished with the #1 SOS, which I was quite proud of.

But yeah, no way you could do that at DI, for all the reasons you mentioned. Which is too bad, because it was some of the most fun I've had in HD, w. having that great competition every night. And it definitely hurt my NT seeding some seasons at DII/DIII ... I remember one season @ Redlands (Naismith) where something like 21 of my 26 regular season games were against teams that made the postseason. I was easily one of the 3-5 best teams and ended up in the 8/9 game.

PS - Good to see a rare forum appearance from bluespruce!
10/30/2009 1:49 PM
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