I think one can be competitive when playing .400 ball. You're playing and giving yourself a chance to win. If you play .400 ball, you're winning the occasional series. That's competitive.

Treading water can mean whatever you want it to mean. Being a 70 win team season after season would be treading water. You need to make a couple of moves and start winning 90. Maybe you just haven't figured out what they are. Or maybe they just haven't presented themselves in a manner you'd recognize.

Tanking is someone who is indifferent to winning at the BL level. These guys finish with top 5/10 picks for severals seasons running while signing a big IFA year after year. Then, all of sudden, they jump from 42 wins to 85 with a payroll of 40m.

I think a blind, one nut monkey can put together a team capable of 55 wins by randomly slamming his little monkey hands on a keyboard. People who win less than that have tried to win less than that.

I think a blind, one nut monkey can put together a team capable of 55 wins by randomly slamming his little monkey hands on a keyboard.

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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 1/11/2010I think a blind, one nut monkey can put together a team capable of 55 wins by randomly slamming his little monkey hands on a keyboard.  People who win less than that have tried to win less than that.

Funny, and true. I think its hard to have less than 60 wins. Though I only have a handful of seasons, and a few leagues, under my belt and could be blind to some team re-build challenges.

Yes, winning 60 is pretty easy. Anyone who keeps their payroll in the 20-30m range for several seasons is tanking, IMO.

Quote: Originally posted by kahrtmen on 1/11/2010Yes, winning 60 is pretty easy. Anyone who keeps their payroll in the 20-30m range for several seasons is tanking, IMO.

What if they win 100 games with a 30 mil payroll every season? Still tanking?

Obviously not, but that can't be sustained for more than a season or two because of arbitration.

With a bit of trade rape here, collusion there, it's easily done!