Recruiting is not a draft or atleast it shouldnt be. Recruiting is not whoever is the first team to pop up on a considering list has uncontestable rights to said recruit. Recruiting is not whichever team is on the recruit for the 1st 24 hour period has rights to said recruit. Recruiting IS convincing a player to sign with said school.

Alot of times (and this clearly depends on the prestige level of the school Im recruiting with); I have a certain set of targets I want to sign. However, I don't dump my entire budget into them BUT I also put in enough that if other schools FSS the player they he wont show up as though Im putting in minor efforts. That also sometimes means that based on how the situation plays out; Im sometimes going to have to quickly abandon the approach and find new players. That involves recruiting players other schools have gone after. If you continously find yourself on the wrong side of things 1 or more of several things can be occuring:

1) You recruited a player who is too talented for your school. If a C+ school is recruiting a 5-star recruit, it is very likely an A school will come around and take said player;

2) You overextended your budget. If youre at a midmajor who only had one team make the tournament and have 3-open spots and target 3 players for whom 1 of the players you are in a battle for with another school, odds are a Big 6 lower prestige school will come around and take said player;

3) You have not previously shown a propensity to back down. Sometimes you simply have to dig in stand your ground, fight a losing battle simply to let the other coach know if they come after one of your guys they might sign him but its going to cost them a big portion of their budget. Which means no carry over and might open them up to being targeted for their own recruits by other schools. Im not suggesting doing this with 5-open scholarships but doing so in a season you can afford to take on 2 walkons is well worth it. Its how I built my CSU-Fullerton team and how I am currently building Manhattan.

*Knowing which battles are winnable, when to take walkons and when to target a 4 or 5 star guy at a midmajor are crucial to program building.

Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 1/19/2010
*Knowing which battles are winnable, when to take walkons and when to target a 4 or 5 star guy at a midmajor are crucial to program building.

Exactly. Taking walk-ons to save money is a huge thing that many coaches do not take advantage of.

I think the penalty for taking a walk on should start with the first one. Recruiting a full roster is important for a major program. This kind of scam tactic does not belong in this game!

Well, as the alleged poacher in this case, I'm not sure what else I was supposed to do. I was sitting there with A- prestige and 6 scholarships, but the conference is packed with A and A+ schools, most of whom had lots of scholarships themselves, and the west coast was comparatively talent poor this year. I went after 3 elite guys from the beginning of recruiting with the thought that I would need to save a lot of $ just to defend those 3 guys.

After a few cycles, I had enough confidence to go after a couple of lesser guys who were undecided and was able to get one onto my list cheap. When I reached the final day of recruiting, my projected big battles had turned into one medium-large battle and two cakewalks, but there were no decent players undecided. Was I supposed to leave 60k on the table and take two walkons? In other seasons in other worlds, I've sometimes sat on the $ in similar situations rather than annoy a conferencemate, but--at some level--I've always felt a little dirty about NOT going after a player who would improve my team just b/c/ someone I like was counting on getting the player.

I do have one qualm about the way I played it and am curious what others think: I knew which guy I was going after about 3 cycles before I jumped in but waited to show interest until later in the hope that Ellison would spend his $ in his big battle with JSkenner. There does seem something unrealistic about waiting once you've targeted a guy. Does that lack of realism suggest it is also unsporting?

Which children's movie had a focus on "poachers"? Was it Fivel (sp)?

Quote: Originally Posted By porkpower on 1/20/2010
Which children's movie had a focus on "poachers"? Was it Fivel (sp)?

Pork are you referring to An American Tail: Fievel Goes West 1991 ?

Quote: Originally posted by porkpower on 1/20/2010Which children's movie had a focus on "poachers"? Was it Fivel (sp)?

Haha Feivel is the one about the immigrant mouse.

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 1/19/2010I think the penalty for taking a walk on should start with the first one. Recruiting a full roster is important for a major program. This kind of scam tactic does not belong in this game!

idk if you are serious or not because its too early in the morning (man I love college) but IRL most schools only run 7-9 players anyway so why have a penalty for 1 walkon or even 2 walkons?

Quote: Originally Posted By blackdog3377 on 1/20/2010

Quote: Originally posted by porkpower on 1/20/2010 Which children's movie had a focus on "poachers"? Was it Fivel (sp)?

Haha Feivel is the one about the immigrant mouse

I beleive it was "Rescuers Down Under." It did have mice.

Taking on walk-ons has it's disadvantages other than whatever is built in. Depth is a strength, especially for a FCP team. If you take two on, you pretty much aren't redshirting anyone, or signing an ineligible. Those nagging injuries, which rarely matter, might even cost you games. Not to mention foul trouble, or god forbid you run a press with less than ten players...it's a trade off.

In the Elite conferences you want yer ten best players for every second of every game...

nothing like having yer starting PG foul out, back-up get "shaken-up but should be able to return" and then having yer third string freshman PG dribble the ball off his foot to cost you an ACC conference tournament game and send you packing to the PI!!! Then again a walkon PG would have done the same thing, so...not sure what my point is, but I did have one...really!

walkons should be more relevant in HD:

on saturday, I sat with a player and his family at a d1 game where he was visiting as a potential walkon, hye is a relevant player at the school in ?, he was his 'small' hs's starting qb 3 years, starting pg 4 yrs, state golf qualifier 4 years, pitcher baseball team 4 years, conference top two scorer 3 years in buckets ... starting PG top 3 scorer on a good AAU team.

Yet he is a walkon in college d1 - this is not a top notch d1 school either, 100 RPI - point is this kid is only slightly worse than scholy guys, and can play -

would love to see an occasional low 500 guy walkon in HD d1, mid 400's in d2, hi 300's in d3 - would be a nice bonus and would be real life - I think I once asked tarek if he would give us all $1000 on the last day of recruiting and let us offer $50 walkon options to the remaining pool - for some reason he did not like that idea - I thought it would be fun and somewhat strategic?????

It would be nice to add an aspect to recruits that some are very loyal to early money spent on them in recruiting while others are not... have it come up in the scouting/call features as same girlfriend since 6th grade or dates a different girl every week type thing. There are other things I'd rather them work on though.

Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 1/20/2010
walkons should be more relevant in HD:

on saturday, I sat with a player and his family at a d1 game where he was visiting as a potential walkon, hye is a relevant player at the school in ?, he was his 'small' hs's starting qb 3 years, starting pg 4 yrs, state golf qualifier 4 years, pitcher baseball team 4 years, conference top two scorer 3 years in buckets ... starting PG top 3 scorer on a good AAU team.

Yet he is a walkon in college d1 - this is not a top notch d1 school either, 100 RPI - point is this kid is only slightly worse than scholy guys, and can play -

would love to see an occasional low 500 guy walkon in HD d1, mid 400's in d2, hi 300's in d3 - would be a nice bonus and would be real life - I think I once asked tarek if he would give us all $1000 on the last day of recruiting and let us offer $50 walkon options to the remaining pool - for some reason he did not like that idea - I thought it would be fun and somewhat strategic?????

The walkons that people get on WIS in D-I are guys that wouldn't start on a good D-III squad... I agree.

Quote: Originally Posted By lmob0621 on 1/20/2010It would be nice to add an aspect to recruits that some are very loyal to early money spent on them in recruiting while others are not... have it come up in the scouting/call features as same girlfriend since 6th grade or dates a different girl every week type thing. There are other things I'd rather them work on though

What would "same girlfriend since 6th grade but cheats on her at every opportunity," indicate?