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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/26/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 1/26/2010

Oh yeah, didn't see that, I thought he said top-50 SoS.

Yeah, I'm doubting that he had a top-50 SoS, and even then, with that conference he would need top-25.

I have had a team come into conf play with #1 RPI and a HUGE lead on #2, I was at around .72 and dwindle all the away to the mid-teens and then back up to 1 after winning the title. Sometimes even the Top 25 RPI won't help, you have to understand what effect your conference will have on your own numbers and use that to schedule properly

Yeah, I'm talking specifically about SoS.

If you have a top-25 SoS non-con, and go 25-4, you're getting in the tourney with ease.

Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 1/26/2010Top 50 RPI? So what? No offense but even having a top 40 rpi wouldn't make me change my mind on this. If he had Top 25 or so then, yes maybe I would argue he could have a case for an 8-10 seed, but who cares, Top 50 RPI pre-conference? That doesn't show much at all, except that he didn't schedule properly for that season.

I said Top-50 SOS, not RPI. After I started conference play, my SOS dropped like a rock even though I was winning.

I also played at least 4 ranked teams in preseason - including Notre Dame and Ohio State. I beat ND and lost to OSU, I believe. I had no soft opponents that I can remember. They were all ACC, Big East, SEC, Big-10, and PAC-10.

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Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 1/26/2010

Quote: Originally posted by ardthomp on 1/26/2010Here is an exact example of why there is a lot of grief on the message boards about newbies asking vets to "prove things" or people getting into arguments. You could have stated your reasoning without the obnoxious "laughter."[/QUOTE] He has 45 Seasons under his belt. He is hardly someone who is new to HD. Also, I do gotta say my laughter went over board. I just thought this to be quite funny as if someone is out to get him.

Also must say even though I have played in the past under different names I still am at only around 30 seasons. While I don't know everything and don't claim to, I just find he is searching to be a victim from his past claims. One last thing is that if you look through all my posts I don't talk down to everyone and only try to explain what I think about things. This though was laughable in my mind

I understand your positioning and I wasn't saying ermackey was a newbie. But there have been a lot of forum posts about this kind of thing and I was just wanting to point out that these kind of things can be avoided. I don't think you were attacking anyone, like you stated.

Quote: Originally posted by ermackey on 1/26/2010

Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 1/26/2010Top 50 RPI? So what? No offense but even having a top 40 rpi wouldn't make me change my mind on this. If he had Top 25 or so then, yes maybe I would argue he could have a case for an 8-10 seed, but who cares, Top 50 RPI pre-conference? That doesn't show much at all, except that he didn't schedule properly for that season.

I said Top-50 SOS, not RPI. After I started conference play, my SOS dropped like a rock even though I was winning.

I also played at least 4 ranked teams in preseason - including Notre Dame and Ohio State. I beat ND and lost to OSU, I believe. I had no soft opponents that I can remember. They were all ACC, Big East, SEC, Big-10, and PAC-10.

Case in point. When I started conference play, my SOS was 113 (I thought it would be stronger when I scheduled it). Now my SOS is 209. Conference play kills my SOS.

On the bright side, Bradley is ranked. :)

If you had wanted a better SOS you could have easily have made it better. You scheduled 3 BCS teams that did not have coaches last year, ensuring that they would have poor records, thus hampering your SOS. You scheduled a Seton Hall team that you knew would be very very young, another bottom feeder from a BCS Conference. And another BCS school team that has not had a winning season in a decade.

There is no way around it, you did a very poor job scheduling.

Quote: Originally Posted By ermackey on 2/02/2010

Quote: Originally posted by ermackey on 1/26/2010

Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 1/26/2010Top 50 RPI? So what? No offense but even having a top 40 rpi wouldn't make me change my mind on this. If he had Top 25 or so then, yes maybe I would argue he could have a case for an 8-10 seed, but who cares, Top 50 RPI pre-conference? That doesn't show much at all, except that he didn't schedule properly for that season.

I said Top-50 SOS, not RPI. After I started conference play, my SOS dropped like a rock even though I was winning.

I also played at least 4 ranked teams in preseason - including Notre Dame and Ohio State. I beat ND and lost to OSU, I believe. I had no soft opponents that I can remember. They were all ACC, Big East, SEC, Big-10, and PAC-10.

Case in point. When I started conference play, my SOS was 113 (I thought it would be stronger when I scheduled it). Now my SOS is 209. Conference play kills my SOS.

On the bright side, Bradley is ranked. :)

Not sure how that proves your point at all.

When you have played 19 games, that means a majority are non-con games. That means that a majority of your SoS is still determined by your non-con. That means that you did a poor job scheduling your non-con.

Just because your SoS was 113 after non-con, and 209 now, doesn't mean that you are being killed by your conference. It means that your non-con opponents are also being killed in conferencem which means they aren't good, which means your schedule wasn't good.

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I've decided to be less of a dick, so I will just re-explain in a way that makes it easier to understand, because I added to what zhawks said (and, in fact. I didn't even read what he wrote before I posted).

Everyone knows you're not playing good teams, that's what zhawks said.

If you read what I wrote, you would have seen what I added.

You're attributing all of your downward trending RPI/SoS to playing your conference.

"Case in point. I had a 113 SoS, now it's 209."

It seems somewhat clear you think that drop has to do solely with playing your conference mates.

During the non-con, your opponents had a record of 42-58.

During conference, your non-con opponents have a record of 31-63.

So while your conference mates certainly don't help, your SoS is dropping even more drastically because your non-con opponents have been awful in conference.

Not sure why you think that doesn't add to the analysis of why your SoS drops. It certainly marginalizes your original position that your conference, by itself, is keeping you from a decent SoS.

So you used these schools are your SOS boost?

Ohio State: 7 players last season and they only have 1 to maybe 2 players really back, very very young

NC State: Had 40 RPI last year and now has 5 freshman to go along with 4 sophomores from last year

Kansas: Is the one strong team that has a majority of upper class men and it shows with their 8 RPI and 6 SOS

Possibly Seton Hall you thought was going to be good they were 24 RPI last year: Yet again though they have 7 Freshman and 3 Sophomores

Its hard to say besides Kansas you scheduled anyone hard as well as having every single game at home except against a yearly 90+ RPI team in Notre Dame which you went to play at. Now I can't speak to if these teams had mass exodus of Draft Players but I doubt each team had 2-3 players leave early.

You can't hide behind the "I thought the teams would be better" - You scheduled 3 bcs conference teams that were sim run last year. Stop making excuses you did a poor job scheduling.

schroedess, tOSU lost a player or two after winning the title - that is the only team though. Sure he can claim 'i thought tOSU would be better' , can't with the rest of the schedule so that excuse fails.

I am awaiting the next one.

Personally if I was him I would be fine with where I am sitting at. Have to wait until seeding but I assume if he sweeps the conference he has to get a pretty good seed.

Quote: Originally posted by schroedess26 on 2/03/2010Personally if I was him I would be fine with where I am sitting at. Have to wait until seeding but I assume if he sweeps the conference he has to get a pretty good seed.

Somewhat agree, if he loses in the ct things could get interesting.

I am not trying to say his team isn't good by any means. But to sit here and complain and think he should be getting better numbers then he is , so on and so forth, is not valid at all.

All the facts speak for themselves.