I really think you're disregarding how much easier it should be to get offensive rebounds against a 2-3 (+3/+5).

Also, you guys could certainly be right about the distro, but I find it extremely odd that 80% of my distro was (+1) but I only took 33% of my shots from 3. And again, if my team abandoned that when he (+5), it should have been easy to get inside the zone.

By the way, a, I really appreciate the time you took to look at this.

We just have different takes on this, that's all. It's not the weirdest thing ever. My biggest issue was the distro, and you guys explained some of that away.

NP

Quote: Originally posted by cheeznsweet on 1/27/2010All in all, I think this is probably one of those things that on the surface looks weird but when you look at how it happened, it makes total sense.

Can we send this to colonels?

Yeah, I'm not saying I think its like in the sweet spot of "making sense" but I don't think its like 3 standard deviations from the sweet spot either.

I think the FT thing is bogus, for sure. And if I were you, isack, I'd probably be a little ******.

Isn't the 2-3 the most conducive to rebounding? If I were to rank them in real life, I would probably go 2-3 > M2M > 3-2 > FCP.

I think it does in RL, but I was under the impression that it doesn't in this game. I don't know where I got that. Maybe I'm wrong and my whole position is crap.

Quote: Originally Posted By cheeznsweet on 1/27/2010
Yeah, I'm not saying I think its like in the sweet spot of "making sense" but I don't think its like 3 standard deviations from the sweet spot either.

I think the FT thing is bogus, for sure. And if I were you, isack, I'd probably be a little ******.

I suppose worse things have happened.

Honestly, it's probably just residue from my loss in Allen, coupled with a loss in Wooden D3 that I didn't like last night, too. I'm a big loser recently, and that's annoying the crap out of me.

Quote: Originally Posted By geoffrhodes on 1/27/2010Isn't the 2-3 the most conducive to rebounding? If I were to rank them in real life, I would probably go 2-3 > M2M > 3-2 > FCP.

No. Not close. Definitely man is best for rebounding in real life. This is one thing they have right.

I think that's situation-specific. Your bigs will never stray from the paint, and athletic bigs in a 2-3 can create a decent rebounding advantage, I think.

But it definitely leaves holes because no one is putting a body on offensive rebounders at all times. It leaves open weakside rebounds and someone sneaking through the middle.

I do think it's player/team-specific.

isack, for a very long time, I had a really significant problem with the results I saw on a game-to-game basis. Specifically with how distro was handled (which I'm still often stupefied by), and also sometimes with seemingly inexplicable discrepances in rebounding and ft's that just didn't seem to match up with the talent level on the teams in question.

I had protracted debates and discussions in the forums with other users (most notably davis, who is a stats guy) on this topic. Their contention is that some/many of these results were statistically acceptable. And perhaps some were, but some were not. And then there is also the overriding issue of the fact that it might be acceptable .05% of the time, but if it happens 5% of the time (impossible to measure), that's a real problem.

I still think those issues exist, but by-and-large I have just focused on being big-picture oriented -- W/L for the entire season -- and tried to just let it go when I see results that I think don't make sense.

I think that generally the overall W/L plays out pretty well over the course of the season (although quite often individual players' stats do not).

Hang in there, and try to focus more big picture. It'll help keep your sanity.

All else being equal, in HD m2m is the best for rebounding, and zone is the worst. That's a fact.

As a semi-related aside, in my bball league last Saturday we were up 35-14 at the half (thanks very little to me). Just for fun, we decided to play zone in the 2nd half, and immediately the other team started getting more offensive rebounds. I was playing on the low block, and it was much harder for me to make sure I had a body on a guy to box out.

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 1/28/2010
isack, for a very long time, I had a really significant problem with the results I saw on a game-to-game basis. Specifically with how distro was handled (which I'm still often stupefied by), and also sometimes with seemingly inexplicable discrepances in rebounding and ft's that just didn't seem to match up with the talent level on the teams in question.

I had protracted debates and discussions in the forums with other users (most notably davis, who is a stats guy) on this topic. Their contention is that some/many of these results were statistically acceptable. And perhaps some were, but some were not. And then there is also the overriding issue of the fact that it might be acceptable .05% of the time, but if it happens 5% of the time (impossible to measure), that's a real problem.

I still think those issues exist, but by-and-large I have just focused on being big-picture oriented -- W/L for the entire season -- and tried to just let it go when I see results that I think don't make sense.

I think that generally the overall W/L plays out pretty well over the course of the season (although quite often individual players' stats do not).

Hang in there, and try to focus more big picture. It'll help keep your sanity.

Thanks dalter, I appreciate it.

Coincidentally, I decided to do just that this morning after another tough loss in D3 (albeit to a top-five team and one that I don't question, but a game that I could have won).

I realize that I'm slowing losing interest in HD, but that's mostly, I think, because I take it too seriously. It's just my nature to do that, but I realize I need to take a step back. This is supopsed to be fun! :)

On the rebounding issue, I agree that zone is worse in RL almost all the time. I do think when you have athletic bigs (like Syracuse), having those guys down low and not having to come out and guard a guy like Greg Monroe on the perimeter is a plus. Pulling bigs out like you would have to do against the swing if you are playing man, disadvantages you. But generally, yeah, you guys are right, especially in anything other than high level D1 or international play.

By the way, nice run with Montana. Tough loss.

Thx. We were up with 7-8 mins to go and just fell apart. In a lot of ways, I'd rather just get blown out and then not have to beat myself up over it, lol.

But you're absolutely right. I used to take things too seriously, and it slowly soured me on the game. I also used to spend a lot more time gameplanning. I got upset enough where I took over a year off (which also had a lot to do w. my frustration with Admin).

Since coming back, I'm much more relaxed about things and try my best to maintain a big picture mentality, which has helped alot. That's the best advice I can give you.

Go Badgers!