Quote: Originally posted by ratatat72 on 5/04/2010
2. I turn it around on the commissioners that boast a good league, but turns out to be a bust (which some of my one-and-dones have been a result of).

Seriously?

You've played 32 seasons in 29 different worlds.

You are the complete opposite of the type of owner I'd recruit for my world.

well, then I will remember not to ask you. Would hate to waste your time.

Quote: Originally Posted By ratatat72 on 5/05/2010Going to the extreme in labeling me 'flaky' when we have never been in a league together (and it doesn't sound like I will ever get the 'privilege' to do so if you have your say). So it really shouldn't matter to you, I guess

umm, you did play in a world with me ... it was one of your many one-and-dones ... as such, I will stand by the "exteme label" of 'flaky'

and the more you post, the less you are helping your cause

Quote: Originally Posted By ratatat72 on 5/05/2010I am not sure why you keep attacking me on this green. You only state problems, not solutions.

and I'm not attacking you ... just explaining why you may be finding it difficult to get into any particular world, whether new or established

and the "solution" would be to do the opposite of what you have done in the past

I am only posting to respond to others' concerns. I don't feel I am hurting my cause.

I will take your last post into advisement, green. I don't want to bump heads here. If you and other commishes feel that my past is too flaky to be given a chance, that's your opinion. I know I am not hurting you in saying that I won't be subscribing to your leagues, because it has been made clear that I am black-balled due to my history.

I do think that when given the chance, I will not disappoint the new world, no matter how unstable it may be, or how flaky my past has been. I wish the rest of you who have chimed in good luck. Thanks

Quote: Originally Posted By ratatat72 on 5/05/2010
I never implied that it was some magical Utopia. I've only expressed a desire to play in one. For me, it would be the sense of being a part of something from the beginning and having fun with it. ALL worlds have the scenarios you describe (lousy commish, owners that rub the wrong way, etc.). I know this.

I have been in several worlds from their inception and several others that I joined in the middle, and I never found being in a new world as being anything more special then an existing one. Joining a new existing league in fact gives me the chance to decide what type of team I would like to take over and find a world with that type of team available (for example as I did in my WKRP thread).

Right now I am in 4 worlds...one of them (ABU) I joined several seasons in as part of a Save this World group and only intended to be there until my commitment to get the team over .500 was fulfilled, but I actually found that the group of people in the league (especially after MikeT quit because he wasnt man enough to compete against me), combined with having put together a solid young team has convoinced me to stay. I developed a good rivalry with another owner in my division which took several seasons to develop (we have now finished 1-2 in the division two straight seasons and met in the playoffs both years -- though this season I had the better team and he kicked my *** on the way to winning "my" WS title). It is stuff like that which I find makes HBD more then just a numbers game. If you spend one season in a world you will never develop the rivalries and enjoy the experience as much. Starting with a new world from Day 1 will donothing to help that.

Quote: Originally Posted By ratatat72 on 5/05/2010I do think that when given the chance, I will not disappoint the new world

you mean unlike the last time you joined a new world and bailed after 2 seasons?

and note that the only reason I know of your existence is that you started a "woe is me I can't get into a new world" thread ... I don't seek out users to criticize their history ... I just check to see if words match actions when threads like this get started

csherwood -- that is your opinion. I feel differently.

Green - that entry into a new world was cut short due to the birth of my twin boys. I decided to devote my time to them and took a break from HBD for a while. But, I guess that will warrant more criticism from you.



My original post was just asking what it would take -- I didn't make it a 'woe is me' sermon. Just simply asked what it would take. You (after several criticisms into my history) simply said do the opposite of what I have been doing. I get it -- you don't like how I have spent my money on this site. Filling in for countless teams ranks real low on your list of priorities when it comes to finding owners for your prestigious leagues. I will accept the fact that I will never get into any of your leagues. I MAY lose some sleep, but will get over it.

as I said, you were in one the worlds I am in ... I don't commish any worlds, so I won't have the opportunity to opine on your entry to any worlds

and in the world we were in together, the commish was concerned because you had 8 active teams at the time ... you said it wouldn't be an issue ... then you abandoned the team a third of the way through the season

when you say things like "why I am being purposefully ignored for any opportunities" and "I feel that I should have an equal right to play in any world possible," I'm simply supplying answers

Quote: Originally Posted By ratatat72 on 5/05/2010Green - that entry into a new world was cut short due to the birth of my twin boys. I decided to devote my time to them and took a break from HBD for a while.

and exactly how is this not being 'flaky'?

If I did abandon the team as you said, wouldn't I have been kicked out for doing so? Just curious. That claim is false, as I finished 2 games out of 1st place, albeit in a weak division. Please don't overdramatize that situation, as that makes you a fool. Dealing with you only makes me regret less the decision not to come back to that world.

"why I am being purposefully ignored for any opportunities" was referring to the fact that Billy Beane was being offered and I saw absolutely NO postings that it was being created. csherwood explained that private worlds are created by different people with different intentions. "I feel that I should have an equal right to play in any world possible," - should have been stated 'IF possible', but I stand by that. Again, I understand the situation that commishes have standards

Quote: Originally Posted By 98greenc5 on 5/05/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By ratatat72 on 5/05/2010
Green - that entry into a new world was cut short due to the birth of my twin boys. I decided to devote my time to them and took a break from HBD for a while.

and exactly how is this not being 'flaky'?

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? What are you saying? I should have stuck it out even though I know I would be spending ALL of my time adjusting to a new way of life. I think it does better for me (or anyone else for that matter), to devote time to what is important. Based on your response, top priority must be HBD.

You and I OBVIOUSLY have different definitions of 'flaky'. I'm a math major - maybe I am not at an intellectual level such as yourself.

all I'm saying is you have an acknowledged history of putting things in front of HBD ... in your example, that was a very admirable reason

so now your are back and fully committed ... what's to say you won't take a break from WiS for a while again and bail on all your teams? ... that is what I mean by flaky (plus the one-and-done trick in a dozen worlds)

point being, if a commish is advertising for "owners commited for the long haul," you don't seem like a good fit

and good to hear that the twins are now off to college so you have all the free time back to devote to HBD

Quote: Originally Posted By ratatat72 on 5/05/2010

If I did abandon the team as you said, wouldn't I have been kicked out for doing so? Just curious. That claim is false, as I finished 2 games out of 1st place, albeit in a weak division. Please don't overdramatize that situation, as that makes you a fool. Dealing with you only makes me regret less the decision not to come back to that world.

"why I am being purposefully ignored for any opportunities" was referring to the fact that Billy Beane was being offered and I saw absolutely NO postings that it was being created. csherwood explained that private worlds are created by different people with different intentions. "I feel that I should have an equal right to play in any world possible," - should have been stated 'IF possible', but I stand by that. Again, I understand the situation that commishes have standards.

You lost me here. How is the fact that Billy Beane didnt advertise on the forums translate into you being purposefully ignored for opportunities? NO ONE saw this being advertised. I also had no idea that Beane was in the works. Yet Im pretty sure that they didnt keep it off the forums so that you and I would not know about it.

The bottom line is this.

1. Most commishes are looking for owners that will be engaged in their worlds. A fair assumption is that an owner with 11 teams is less likely to be engaged in the league/ than an owner with 3 teams.

2. Commishes will look very negatively at one and dones. You have a lot of those. Im not judging the reasons. It doesnt really matter. If there is an owner who has only ever been in a few worlds, and has stayed with them, and you, the other owner will get chosen every time. That owner would also be chosen over me. I 'flaked' for a period of time as well. Never had as many teams as you did, but I flaked on a couple leagues nonetheless. I too, had what I considered very good reasons. Understandably, that little bit of bad history kept me out of an elite league. All I can do now is be active and stay with the leagues Im in.

3. You were removed from a league very recently for abandonment. This is probably your biggest hurdle. That and in the case with Powers, the fact that you still werent up to speed on the current franchises when we were filling up.

You need to look long term. As bad as the one and dones are, you should probably get to a manageable amount of teams. As you said, you have twin sons, you probably dont spend much time on each team now. And by that, I mean really working them. Looking for trades, checking the minors, etc..theres just not enough hours in the day. Cut down to a few teams, allocate seasons to them, so you have the little * by your name, and be very active on the league chat board, etc.

After you have a few seasons with each of the keeper leagues, you will likely be looked at differently when opportunities come up.