Hitter’s Park and HR reform Topic

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you should read my post again...anyway, do you really believe that the difference between HR/G in HBD vs MLB (2.6 vs 2.1) is completely a result of owners not maximizing their ML talent and hitters parks?...shouldn't many of the problems you describe be mitigated in an elite world like MG?
5/8/2010 10:37 PM
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And typically, people are playing DH at 1B and 1B at LF because they are looking for big time sluggers and willing to sacrifice fielding. This happens at every position and in every world. Just a quick guess, I bet you will find more teams built for slugging the crap out of the ball and scoring runs than you will excellent defensive teams built to keep run totals down. IRL, you will not find LFs playing at SS. In HBD you will.
5/8/2010 10:38 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by bighead34 on 5/08/2010you should read my post again...anyway, do you really believe that the difference between HR/G in HBD vs MLB (2.6 vs 2.1) is completely a result of owners not maximizing their ML talent and hitters parks?...shouldn't many of the problems you describe be mitigated in an elite world like MG?

They are mitigated in MG and other worlds, just not to the level you want them to be or think they should be. People also choose to play power hitters over defensive players. Power is probably the most predictable rating in HBD. Power guys are going to hit HRs. It's a safe play. There are a ton of reasons why there are more HRs hit in HBD, and almost all of them are related to choices that owners make.
5/8/2010 10:40 PM
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hartjh14, is CAPB a quality world?...i've heard good things about it and assume it to be so...the parks are on balance more pitching friendly than hitting friendly with regards to HR...so is the reason HR/G = 2.52 in CAPB that the owners have pitchers in the ML that have no business being there?...and for the record the level of HR/G that i want and think should be is as close to ML as possible...i realize this game will never replicate real life, but i don't see why people are ok with it not being as close as possible when it has been demonstrated that admin has the ability to do so if they choose
5/8/2010 10:51 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by bighead34 on 5/08/2010hartjh14, is CAPB a quality world?...i've heard good things about it and assume it to be so...the parks are on balance more pitching friendly than hitting friendly with regards to HR...so is the reason HR/G = 2.52 in CAPB that the owners have pitchers in the ML that have no business being there?...and for the record the level of HR/G that i want and think should be is as close to ML as possible...i realize this game will never replicate real life, but i don't see why people are ok with it not being as close as possible when it has been demonstrated that admin has the ability to do so if they choose

I don't care about the HR rate, nor do I judge the quality of a league by it. I think it's fine where it's at. Top guys in my leagues put up similar numbers to what the leaders in ML have done over the past 10 years, but few people in any league play the low power guys that ML does. That obviously leads to more HRs overall. Have people make decisions as they do in MLB and you will get similar results. Don't expect the system to fix everything for you.
5/8/2010 11:02 PM
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How many more reasons do you need before you get it? It has way more to do with the decisions owners make than it has to do with anything else.
5/8/2010 11:06 PM
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would you be ok with it if the average HBD batting average was .300 (vs .265 MLB, which is essentially an equivalent % increase)?...i'm granting you that a significant portion of the larger HR rate is due to owners' decisions, however, when admin has a stated goal of 2.4 HR/G there isn't much elite worlds such as MG or CAPB or any other can do to get close to a HR/G rate of 2.1
5/8/2010 11:10 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by hartjh14 on 5/08/2010Actually, playing people out of position i assume not a rampant problem in CAPB creates more plate appearances, which will lead to more opportunities to hit HRs. In addition to that, people are throwing pitchers that have no place on a ML team in the majors again something i doubt is a problem in CAPB, plus people tend to pick HR parksopposite of the truth with regards to CAPB. Add it all up and you get your answer. and yet HR rates are still incredibly high
5/8/2010 11:25 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by bighead34 on 5/08/2010
Quote: Originally posted by hartjh14 on 5/08/2010Actually, playing people out of position i assume not a rampant problem in CAPB creates more plate appearances, which will lead to more opportunities to hit HRs. In addition to that, people are throwing pitchers that have no place on a ML team in the majors again something i doubt is a problem in CAPB, plus people tend to pick HR parksopposite of the truth with regards to CAPB. Add it all up and you get your answer. and yet HR rates are still incredibly high

You can't win...there are way, way more reasons why HRs are up in HBD, and almost none of them have to do with the programming of the HR rate. You keep skirting that little fact. Don't wait for Admin to fix something for you - it's clear that isn't going to happen. The numbers aren't bad - they really never were considering all the reasons that owners are adding to the "problem" that you feel exists. Fix the owners. Leave the game. Accept it. Keep ******** knowing it isn't going to matter. Those are your options.
5/8/2010 11:32 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by bighead34 on 5/08/2010would you be ok with it if the average HBD batting average was .300 (vs .265 MLB, which is essentially an equivalent % increase)?...i'm granting you that a significant portion of the larger HR rate is due to owners' decisions, however, when admin has a stated goal of 2.4 HR/G there isn't much elite worlds such as MG or CAPB or any other can do to get close to a HR/G rate of 2.1

I don't care. You're completely missing the point. I don't care what is going on. I will play by the rules and adjust as the game changes. If everyone is hitting .300, then everybody is hitting .300. If everyone is hitting .265, then everyone is hitting .265. What's the difference?

So HRs are up. Take advantage of what the game allows instead of complaining about it. They aren't up by some crazy amount and it's better than it was before. Pitchers are still putting up crazy good numbers and many are far more consistent than they are in real life. What do you want to do about that? What about SB/CS numbers of the elite guys? How are you going to fix that?

You're never going to get ML numbers here. It isn't going to happen. It isn't possible. ML numbers change and they can't change the programming to suit every change. Play the game the way it is or find a better game (good luck).

I hope you don't play Scoresheet...talk about not matching MLB numbers...and they use MLB players.
5/8/2010 11:40 PM
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dude, i'm rebutting your reasons, and all you can come up with is "there are way, way more reasons"...i didn't start this thread and i have no intention of quitting...i'm just trying to disabuse you (and others i'm sure) of the notion that HRs are higher in HBD than MLB solely because of owners' decisions
5/8/2010 11:42 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by bighead34 on 5/08/2010dude, i'm rebutting your reasons, and all you can come up with is "there are way, way more reasons"...i didn't start this thread and i have no intention of quitting...i'm just trying to disabuse you (and others i'm sure) of the notion that HRs are higher in HBD than MLB solely because of owners' decisions
As soon as you can list every choice owners make and prove individually why each is wrong and how they all don't contribute to the problem in any combination, you'll succeed. Until then, "you lose. Good day!"
5/8/2010 11:45 PM
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whatever, if you read all my posts in this thread i think you'd be hard pressed to accuse me of ******** or complaining...my only point is that HRs are way up in HBD and it isn't just because owners suck or tank or ballparks or whatever...i want the game to be as realistic as possible, you don't care, that's fine, we'll both still play and adjust accordingly
5/8/2010 11:48 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by bighead34 on 5/08/2010whatever, if you read all my posts in this thread i think you'd be hard pressed to accuse me of ******** or complaining...my only point is that HRs are way up in HBD and it isn't just because owners suck or tank or ballparks or whatever...i want the game to be as realistic as possible, you don't care, that's fine, we'll both still play and adjust accordingly

I don't care because I know what you want is impossible. Owners control the stats. What were the HR numbers before the steroid crackdown in MLB? What was it in 1908? How about 1927? 1967? 1968? The real game has always changed. They cannot change the programming every year to suit whatever era MLB is having at the time. If MLB starts hitting HRs at a 3.00 rate next year, are you going to be for upping the HR rate?

Don't think of this as MLB. It isn't MLB. It's a simulation game where decisions that owners make directly affect the statistical output of the game.
5/9/2010 12:01 AM
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it's impossible for admin to program the engine so that HR rates fall somewhere within the wide range that has been achieved in over a century of professional baseball?...we know that this isn't the case since the original "end of the steroid era" update accomplished exactly that (approx 2 HR/G)...when elite worlds now have HR rates 6% higher than the highest HR rate in MLB history (MG s15 @ 2.47 HR/G vs. MLB s2000 @ 2.34 HR/G) i look at it and think, "man, i wish that wasn't the case"...that is all...i'm not sure what you find so objectionable about that sentiment
5/9/2010 12:23 AM
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