Switching from press?! Topic

scottyj74
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A player like Mack with that kind of stamina should be playing 30+ minutes with ease. Instead, I'm lucky if he gets to 26-29 minutes on GT.
6/3/2010 2:20 PM
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I'm still loving the press right now. Teams with depth and high IQ can still utilize it effectively. Probably too effectively.
6/3/2010 2:36 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by cthomas22255 on 6/03/2010I'm still loving the press right now. Teams with depth and high IQ can still utilize it effectively. Probably too effectively.
Those of us *raises hand* that thought the press was dead now, please take a look at Washington and Lee

Apparently you don't need depth or speed, just high stamina and good iq's, and you can win some ballgames w/ the press. 6 seniors, 6 walk on's and they've won 5 games.
6/3/2010 2:45 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By udm_mike on 6/03/2010
Quote: Originally posted by cthomas22255 on 6/03/2010I'm still loving the press right now. Teams with depth and high IQ can still utilize it effectively. Probably too effectively.
Those of us *raises hand* that thought the press was dead now, please take a look at Washington & Lee

Apparently you don't need depth or speed, just high stamina and good iq's, and you can win some ballgames w/ the press. 6 seniors, 6 walk on's and they've won 5 games
Are you being serious? This is a team that's 5-9 with a 286 rpi and hasn't beaten anyone.

I hope you're kidding and this isn't intended to be an actual example.
6/3/2010 3:11 PM
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It's a 6 person fcp team. Know any fcp teams that have 1 guy off the bench that can beat anyone? I'm not saying they have a good schedule, but there's no way they should be within 30 points of any team. This isn't 1950's Indiana H.S. basketball.
6/3/2010 3:23 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By cthomas22255 on 6/03/2010I'm still loving the press right now. Teams with depth and high IQ can still utilize it effectively. Probably too effectively.
from what im seeing teams full of ath/spd track stars are running it as if no change happened
6/3/2010 3:38 PM
dalter
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/03/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By cthomas22255 on 6/03/2010
I'm still loving the press right now. Teams with depth and high IQ can still utilize it effectively. Probably too effectively.
from what im seeing teams full of ath/spd track stars are running it as if no change happened

Then you're looking at different results than I am.

We're in Allen DI together, what are your examples of the teams of track stars doing so well?
6/3/2010 3:44 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 6/03/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/03/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By cthomas22255 on 6/03/2010
I'm still loving the press right now. Teams with depth and high IQ can still utilize it effectively. Probably too effectively.
from what im seeing teams full of ath/spd track stars are running it as if no change happened



Then you're looking at different results than I am.

We're in Allen DI together, what are your examples of the teams of track stars doing so well?
to clarify because i know this is a stick that gets stuck in your butt, im not saying track stars with no core skills, im saying players with good core skills who are seemingly excellent at ath/spd - not picking on this team at all, just lifting it out as one who absolutely destroyed me with worse turnover totals than i'd seen in years, Rutgers in Tark
6/3/2010 3:58 PM
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Well, then you're being misleading. Calling them a team of track stars insinuates that they have sp and ath, not that great elsewhere and still kicking butt.

But if you're talking about a team that has strong sp/ath and also has strong cores, that's hardly a team of track stars -- that's just a damn good team.
6/3/2010 4:03 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 6/03/2010
Well, then you're being misleading. Calling them a team of track stars insinuates that they have sp and ath, not that great elsewhere and still kicking butt.

But if you're talking about a team that has strong sp/ath and also has strong cores, that's hardly a team of track stars -- that's just a damn good team.

teams full of guys who are like 85/85 (not exact, random estimate) type ath/spd guys are rather freakish, regardless of other skills.

but as far as being a good team, thats what Seble said, and he said those teams should have no problem with the press, which was my original point.
6/3/2010 4:07 PM
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Your criticism was that people are winning in this engine with teams of track stars.

I haven't seen any validity to that claim.

Again, a team with strong sp/ath that's also strong in the other cores isn't a team of track stars, it's a team of great players. And there shouldn't be a problem with a team of great players winning, regardless of defense played.
6/3/2010 5:04 PM
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my criticism is that ath/spd seems to be the single biggest factor in determining excellence.
6/3/2010 5:18 PM
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Is there any RL Nba teams who are not freakish athletics who are great? Kobe, 'bron, Howard, KG etc... All the bests are freaks.
6/3/2010 5:23 PM
dalter
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Purely as a challenge, I wanted to try and come up with a few:

-Steve Nash

-Dirk Nowitzki

-Chauncey Billups

But your point is well taken, most of the best players are simply at another level athletically.
6/3/2010 5:53 PM
dalter
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/03/2010my criticism is that ath/spd seems to be the single biggest factor in determining excellence
If a successful team is full of players that are not only fast and athletic but that also excel at shooting, rebounding, defending, passing, etc ... then how it is you're deciding that sp/ath is the biggest factor? I mean, aside from the fact that it fits your agenda.
6/3/2010 5:55 PM
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