Free Throw Disparities Topic

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you are probably dense enough to think one real life example allows for anything to go in HD with much greater frequency and regularity. are you by chance WIS customer support?

its pretty impressive, but there is probably no single poster who i more often find myself on the polar opposite of than aintheb/arsaguiniusasas.
6/4/2010 5:02 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandyduke on 6/04/2010just played a game against a top 25 team in phelan where they took zero free throws (neither runs press). not an issue of disparity, but a lack of touch with reality
So, now we don't have enough free throws?

Also, it's interesting that you elected not to mention that your team only had 4 FT attempts, so there was little to no disparity in the number of attempts by the teams.
6/4/2010 5:03 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By fussyd on 6/04/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By vandyduke on 6/04/2010
just played a game against a top 25 team in phelan where they took zero free throws (neither runs press). not an issue of disparity, but a lack of touch with reality.
So, now we don't have enough free throws?

Also, it's interesting that you elected not to mention that your team only had 4 FT attempts, so there was little to no disparity in the number of attempts by the teams.

i stated not an issue of disparity in the post you quoted.
6/4/2010 5:04 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/04/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By fussyd on 6/04/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By vandyduke on 6/04/2010
just played a game against a top 25 team in phelan where they took zero free throws (neither runs press). not an issue of disparity, but a lack of touch with reality.
So, now we don't have enough free throws?

Also, it's interesting that you elected not to mention that your team only had 4 FT attempts, so there was little to no disparity in the number of attempts by the teams.

i stated not an issue of disparity in the post you quoted.
So I should ignore your 20 posts on the disparity issue? Okay.
6/4/2010 5:07 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By fussyd on 6/04/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/04/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By fussyd on 6/04/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By vandyduke on 6/04/2010
just played a game against a top 25 team in phelan where they took zero free throws (neither runs press). not an issue of disparity, but a lack of touch with reality.
So, now we don't have enough free throws?

Also, it's interesting that you elected not to mention that your team only had 4 FT attempts, so there was little to no disparity in the number of attempts by the teams.

i stated not an issue of disparity in the post you quoted.
So I should ignore your 20 posts on the disparity issue? Okay
Ignore whatever you want, I can't stop you from being an idiot.
6/4/2010 5:09 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by vandydave on 6/04/2010you are probably dense enough to think one real life example allows for anything to go in HD with much greater frequency and regularity. are you by chance WIS customer support?its pretty impressive, but there is probably no single poster who i more often find myself on the polar opposite of than aintheb/arsaguiniusasas.

You brought up one game. I brought up one game.


6/4/2010 5:11 PM
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Why is it YOU bringing up one game with zero attempts as an example is legitimate, but replying with one game isn't?
6/4/2010 5:14 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/04/2010
pick fights?

you have basically come out and said some results should just be ignored, which is short-sighted, harmful to HD, and fairly ignorant. im frankly appalled you actually believe what you are saying.

Good lord. I said that a game featuring a really strong team and a terrible sim can't be relied upon to draw any real conclusions. If you disagree with that, you're farther behind the HD curve than I'd previously realized.

there are numerous results of awful free throw disparities in both the old engine and the new, there was hope the new engine might correct that, but if anything it seems the same or worse.

For the third time, I agree that there may be some issues with ft's. My only point was to make sure we're using the proper frame of reference for that anaylsis.

6/4/2010 5:16 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 6/04/2010Why is it YOU bringing up one game with zero attempts as an example is legitimate, but replying with one game isn't?
because i didnt have to do a google search of the history of college basketball to find a random website that happened to recount a truly bizarre and extraordinary game to make my point, i played 4 pm games today, and in one of them had a top 25 team with zero free throws.
6/4/2010 5:24 PM
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Dalter, I understand where you are coming from. But from a statistical stand point, which is the view you have to use when looking at something like this, you can't throw out any data.

I don't think it is free throw disparity so much as the seemingly ridiculous frequency with which fouls are called if you have a talent advantage.

For the season so far (10 games) here are the stats.

Free throw disparity
FTA/FGA = 374/534 = 70.04%

I believe this is significantly better than the top performing real NCAA team.

6/4/2010 5:52 PM
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That was a game from 2009.
It wasn't exactly a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
6/4/2010 5:52 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 6/04/2010That was a game from 2009.
It wasn't exactly a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
a-b, you can find an example or two for nearly anything. And if that's all it was -- an example or two -- it would hardly be a big deal.

But when something that should be a once-every-few-seasons occurrence starts happening with relative regularity, that's a different story entirely and deserves further examination.
6/4/2010 6:23 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By serb0649 on 6/04/2010Dalter, I understand where you are coming from. But from a statistical stand point, which is the view you have to use when looking at something like this, you can't throw out any data.

I don't think it is free throw disparity so much as the seemingly ridiculous frequency with which fouls are called if you have a talent advantage.

For the season so far (10 games) here are the stats.

Free throw disparity
FTA/FGA = 374/534 = 70.04%

I believe this is significantly better than the top performing real NCAA team.

For the most part, the teams you have played were horrible. If the real-life Duke plays DII teams in 8 of its first 10 games and wins those 8 games by an average margin of 50 points while going to line a lot, would we be surprised?
6/4/2010 6:42 PM
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We are playing ten seasons in ten worlds simultaneously. Once every couple season things are going to be found reasonably often in that large a sample.
6/4/2010 7:03 PM
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