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this kid should not even be allowed to watch the draft on TV!



6/7/2010 6:41 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 6/07/2010How is what he's saying really different, 1 and do you really think a guy of that caliber should be leaving early 2?

1 - Really? You don't see a difference between "I'd like to know how often I can expect this to happen" and "This should never happen" ?

2 - Yes. Kids should occasionally make stupid decisions about their future. If you don't want to risk your players leaving early, the way real-life coaches do, go back to DII.
6/7/2010 9:40 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 6/07/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/06/2010
eh, as long as a player is going to be drafted in the HD NBA draft then i have no issue with random early entries, if guys start declaring and not getting picked then that will be very frustrating
The logic doesn't allow for that
which is why if all early entries are getting drafted its really not that problematic
6/7/2010 9:42 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 6/07/2010

Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 6/07/2010How is what he's saying really different, 1 and do you really think a guy of that caliber should be leaving early 2?


1 - Really? You don't see a difference between "I'd like to know how often I can expect this to happen" and "This should never happen" ?

2 - Yes. Kids should occasionally make stupid decisions about their future. If you don't want to risk your players leaving early, the way real-life coaches do, go back to DII.

So because some kids make really awful early entry decisions in real life, we should emulate that in HD? I just think that brings a clear detriment to the game with no real positive other than randomly emulating a bad decision from real life. Quite simply, I think it takes away more than it adds, so I'm not in favor of it.


6/7/2010 10:15 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 6/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/06/2010
eh, as long as a player is going to be drafted in the HD NBA draft then i have no issue with random early entries, if guys start declaring and not getting picked then that will be very frustrating
The logic doesn't allow for that.
which is why if all early entries are getting drafted its really not that problemati
Two separate issues. If ridiculous guys that should never leave early are declaring but still getting drafted, that's still a problem. Would it be even more annoying if they didn't get drafted? Sure. But the fact that they'll eventually get drafted doesn't mean the issues ceases to exist.
6/7/2010 10:16 AM
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6/7/2010 11:31 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 6/07/2010I just think that brings a clear detriment to the game with no real positive other than randomly emulating a bad decision from real life. Quite simply, I think it takes away more than it adds, so I'm not in favor of it.

Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 6/06/2010frankly, it makes the game far less interesting to have all the rough edges smoothed out all the damn time.
6/7/2010 11:34 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 6/07/2010
Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 6/07/2010 I just think that brings a clear detriment to the game with no real positive other than randomly emulating a bad decision from real life. Quite simply, I think it takes away more than it adds, so I'm not in favor of it.

Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 6/06/2010 frankly, it makes the game far less interesting to have all the rough edges smoothed out all the damn time.
No one is saying that all of the rough edges need to be smoothed out. There is a realistic pool of players from which the early entries might come. There are plenty of rough edges when it comes to early entries -- guys you expect to leave often stay, and guys you expect to stay often leave.

The issue that we're dealing with here is what players should realistically be part of the potential player pool. Clearly there is a cut-off -- you're not going to have some garbage junior leaving. So the question is where the cut-off should be.

But me saying that I don't think this player should be w. in the group of potential early entries is absolutely NOT removing all of the rough edges. Still plenty of randomness and rough edges in this and all of the other processes w. in HD.
6/7/2010 11:42 AM
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To me, the worst part is the fact that Brown would have been the only remaining guard . I understand making EE's random, but I would like to see logic in place to prevent situations like this.
6/7/2010 3:54 PM
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You have to be careful how many negative elements you include in the game. If people don't enjoy their experience, they won't continue playing and paying for it.

At the end of the day, this is about making money, not creating the most accurate simulation. If accuracy was their goal, there'd be a lot more focus on firings (can anyone dispute that's a huge part of a coach's worries?). But that tends to **** off the players so they keep it toned down. I have no problem with that. If the game doesn't stay somewhat viable financially, we won't have a game to play.
6/7/2010 6:52 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By kobo on 6/06/2010How did you extract 100% predictability from some degree anton? I am just saying that without some degree of predictability there is no control for coaches, it is all random and what would be the point of playing? It is why I wouldn't participate in an online coin flipping game, is that hard to understand?

I do not want 100% certainty in the game, the elite players (and experienced coaches know who these guys are at a glance) should have the potential to jump early...my opinion is that this particular player is not anywhere near that level and that confuses me.

In this case (early entries) shouldn't there be some way of gauging who might declare for early entry into the NBA? Or should absolutely every player in Div I be potential draft entries? To me that seems a bit absurd
Kobo, if you would pay attention to your recruits' personalities then you'd have a better idea of which ones will declare early. Recruits with high materialism are most likely to declare early. It's not random.
6/7/2010 10:32 PM
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6/7/2010 10:57 PM
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Kobo, why did you ask about this if you're just going to reject everyone's explanation?
6/8/2010 12:16 AM
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If he declares then it is guaranteed he will get drafted. There are different levels of materialism. It's not like he's declaring and he won't get drafted. I've seen similar guys declare early.

You also made the sweet sixteen, which made it much more likely. If you don't pay attention to the guy's personality when you recruit him, then you're taking on a risk. It just happened you got burned this time.
6/8/2010 12:18 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by hitman1979 on 6/08/2010Kobo, why did you ask about this if you're just going to reject everyone's explanation?
Over and over I have asked the same thing..."have you seen this before?" I am not rejecting anything...simply asking for some sort of verification that this has happened before...so far no one has stepped up and said that they have seen that.

If someone takes the position that this is not out of the ordinary, shouldn't they have some HD parallel to offer in support of that position? You will have to excuse me but opinions without support are not really of much value.
6/8/2010 6:19 PM
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