Posted by deathinahole on 6/23/2010 10:05:00 AM (view original):
Everybody, let's change the sim to make tec happy with his once in 3 years scenario.

STFU, convicted felon.

I have to agree with the convict.    If your argument is "This one time.......", it's a poor argument.

Posted by tecwrg on 6/22/2010 9:10:00 PM (view original):
Here's a problem that I have with this:

Scenario: 7 game playoff series.  I'm down two games to one in the series.  Let's assume that the previous playoff series went the limit, so I don't have the luxury of having my rotation set as I would have preferred.  I've got SP3 scheduled to pitch game 4, with SP4 on deck for game 5.

If I win game 4, the series is tied 2-2 and we go to game 5 with my SP4 taking the mound.  I'm fine with that because I know that win or lose I'll have a fully rested SP1 available for game 6, and a fully rested SP2 available for game 7 (if needed).  But if I lose game 4, I'm down 3-1 and I may want to bring my SP1 back on short rest to start game 5.  Prior to this change, I could tandem my SP4 and SP1, with SP4 on a 5/5 PC and most likely removed after one hitter.  Not pretty or desirable, but it was a way to handle this scenario.  Now, with this change, I'm stuck with SP4 on a 40/40 PC, and even if I set his pull rating to 5, a fair amount of damage could be done before I'm able to bring my SP1 into the game.

Get a better SP4.

Posted by dedelman on 6/23/2010 12:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/23/2010 10:15:00 AM (view original):
I have to agree with the convict.    If your argument is "This one time.......", it's a poor argument.

It's not just one time; this situation occurs all the time in the playoffs.  However, I can understand that a strategy for winning a playoff series might seem irrelevant or trivial to some people.

Changing things so people can game the system is irrelevant to me.

If you just win the first 3 or 4 games of a playoff series, you don't have to worry with the other nonsense.

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/23/2010 1:24:00 PM (view original):
If you just win the first 3 or 4 games of a playoff series, you don't have to worry with the other nonsense.

Sez the man who perfected the art of "three and out".

That's what I'm talking about.  My opponent never goes thru the hand-wringing over starters like you do.

This might seem odd, but my #1 is always ready to go 1-4-7 in the playoffs... barring having just pitched in a Game 5/7, obviously.

Something about pitch counts?

Posted by iain on 6/23/2010 2:36:00 PM (view original):
This might seem odd, but my #1 is always ready to go 1-4-7 in the playoffs... barring having just pitched in a Game 5/7, obviously.

Something about pitch counts?

+1

Tec's point is relevant, and this is the only situation where a 5 PC would make sense.  It's a moot point now, but there are many times where I can see that a game 4 result may determine what you're willing to do in a game 5.  This is the one instance where you're not really 'gaming the system' - you're trying to make an adjustment based on a real result.

Hopefully there will be a better solution at some point, though in general I like the 40 PC idea if only for the purpose of preventing those who use pitch counts to mislead their opponents from doing so.

It would all be a moot point if we were not locked in to starters in a playoff series.  I understand the purpose of letting the other team know who your starter is so they can plan accordingly as a courtesy, but as silentpadna points out (affirming my point from yesterday) there are legitimate times you might want to go with a different SP based on your situation.  When you think about it, it's kind of silly that you're pretty much locked in to your game "n+1" SP before game "n" is played in a playoff series. 

It seems like in the playoffs you could at least allow something like a change in the 1st 4 hours of the cycle, but have it be locked after.  I don't know if that would be hard to code...

Don't forget about pitcher injuries that screw things up.

We had a blowup in one league, because the guy I wanted to start the game was on an (injured 2 days), and would have been ready to pitch (deciding game of the series). Only he wasn't actually slotted as the starter when the time came... it was some lefty who was clearly my worst starter. So obviously, the 5 PC thing came into play, although my opponent tried to act as if I was gaming the system to take advantage of a handedness advantage.

Of course, unlike Tec's drama, this problem should be relatively easily solved. ... Just don't let pitchers get injured in the playoffs.

That's a problem with the sequence of events in determining the next starter, leppy.    I sent a ticket about it 2-3 years ago.  WifS has no desire to check injury/fatigue recovery before assigning the next pitcher.