WTF? How did you get turned down by St. John's?

I just took a look at pork's actual four-year resume.

48	porkpower	20-13	12-6	5-6	3-1	8-8		77	A-	PI (3rd Round)
47	porkpower	12-15	11-7	1-7	0-1	3-13		125	A-
46	porkpower	28-6	17-1	5-3	6-2	12-4	16	8	A	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Final Four)
45	porkpower	19-8	15-2	4-5	0-1	10-6		105	A-

I think that explains why he wants to leave Kansas, and also why he's getting turned down by schools like Georgetown:

48	sully712	25-8	13-1	7-5	5-2	12-4	4	9	A+	NT At-large Bid NT (Final Four)
47	sully712	25-7	11-2	10-3	4-2	11-5	8	5	A	NT At-large Bid NT (Elite 8)
46	sully712	20-10	11-1	7-7	2-2	9-7		28	A	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
45	sully712	22-9	9-3	10-4	3-2	11-5	21	37	A	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)

Cincinnati:

48	jeff_probst	31-4	7-1	16-2	8-1	14-2	2	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Championship Game)
47	jeff_probst	24-8	5-3	15-3	4-2	11-5	10	3	A	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Elite 8)
46	jeff_probst	17-14	3-5	10-8	4-1	4-12		26	A-	CT Champion NT (1st Round)
45	jeff_probst	18-14	6-3	8-9	4-2	8-8		25	A-	NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)

or even St. John's:

48	creb	14-15	6-8	7-6	1-1	7-9		72	B+	PI (1st Round)
47	creb	17-13	8-5	7-6	2-2	7-9		27	A-	NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
46	creb	16-14	9-4	5-8	2-2	9-7		41	B	NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)
45	creb	8-20	5-6	2-13	1-1	4-12		167	C+

Wisconsin:

48	deberly	14-16	7-5	6-10	1-1	4-12		68	A-	PI (2nd Round)
47	deberly	22-12	14-3	5-7	3-2	11-5		47	A-	PI (Championship Game)
46	deberly	22-7	12-1	9-4	1-2	14-2	17	33	A-	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
45	deberly	19-11	12-3	5-6	2-2	10-6		34	A-	NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)

Syracuse:

48	oldave	19-12	6-5	10-5	3-2	8-8		35	A+	NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
47	oldave	32-3	12-0	13-1	7-2	15-1	2	1	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Championship Game)
46	oldave	19-11	11-1	6-8	2-2	8-8		27	A	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
45	oldave	18-13	9-5	9-6	0-2	7-9		43	A	PI (Final Four)

Well, based on the four-year resume formula that HD uses, yes, it makes sense.

Based on actual common sense and pork's actual resume, it doesn't. But we're stuck with the four-year window system for now, so I agree that this outcome is totally unsurprising.

The four year window has never really worked. I think we're all in agreement on that.

But if you extend pork's resume out further, he's actually had a pretty weak decade at Kansas. He's taken what was a high A/A+ prestige school in his heyday down to what is likely a low A-.

If you want to use common sense to judge the hiring process, as AD would you want to hand the reins to a coach who's best days appear to be behind him? Maybe at St. John's or Wisconsin, but certainly not an a current top program like the other Big East schools he applied at.

Turned down by Marquette which means it impossible. for me to be hired to by anyone now.  Even Tubby Smith was given a job at Minnesota, would not have been allowed in HD. Roy Williams to North Carolina would probably been turned down and no way Kelvin Sampson goes from Oklahoma to Indiana. So many examples out ehre for you to be an apologist in anyway IMO. I love this game so much and I feel like I have been here since the very beginning anf brought about lots of changes to systems that are taken for granted by all today, but this is one that needs to be fixed ASAP. Any ideas would be great. I think for starters. The 4 year window only needs to be part of the equation. Total success has to play a major part as well IMO. Sometimes coaches just get sick of schools and need a change, which is what keeps the job market so fluid In HD. Call it the Bobby Knight rule. In HD he never gets the Texas Tech job. Lute Olsen probably does not get the job at Arizona, and Who knows how far of a drop Lute Olsen woud have hit. Certainly lower then Oklahoma St.

This offseason will be a very important one to study over for the upcoming (hopfeully) changes to the job process. After spending tons of dough and winning over 1000 wins total It is just a hard way to play devils advocate here.

Anton , I never expected to get those jobs, but I would guess that in GTech, St Johns, Wisconsin, and Marquette (Cringe to even type ) that they would have rolled out the red carpet . Hope this gets seble's full attentian guys. Even though it doesn't affect you right now, chances are it will down the road. I mean someone could have just lost out on their dream job (Kansas) thanks to Marquette and St Johns turning me down. That worries me as well. I would like for Seble to tell me who exactly would have hired me just for the record.

St Johns and Marquette would rather go hire the Sim Ai rout then sing a top 3 coach in overall wins who made the final 4 2 seasons ago. Makes sense.

Posted by antonsirius on 8/22/2010 1:58:00 PM (view original):
The four year window has never really worked. I think we're all in agreement on that.

But if you extend pork's resume out further, he's actually had a pretty weak decade at Kansas. He's taken what was a high A/A+ prestige school in his heyday down to what is likely a low A-.

If you want to use common sense to judge the hiring process, as AD would you want to hand the reins to a coach who's best days appear to be behind him? Maybe at St. John's or Wisconsin, but certainly not an a current top program like the other Big East schools he applied at.

That is the bug problem here. I was applying to
GTech (Hired a coach with a better 4 year resume)
Cincy (Hired a coach with a better 4 yar resumes)
St Johnns (Remained Sim Ai)
Marquette (Remained Sim Ai)

I just wish it made some sort of logical sense. Now I am stuck at Kansas who was decimated by a SO leaving early and has no local recruits worth a darn. Wanted a fresh start, couldn't happen at the current system. They would rather keep a Sim AI at St Johns and Marquette then a coach who had made the NT 35/46 times, was in the final 4 just 2 seasons ago, and made the PT 3rd round this season.

Marquette:

48	Sim AI	14-15	8-4	4-10	2-1	9-7		139	B
47	acn24	30-2	11-0	14-1	5-1	16-0	7	8	B+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)
46	acn24	22-8	11-1	8-6	3-1	13-3		50	B+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (1st Round)
45	acn24	29-4	12-0	11-3	6-1	15-1	5	11	B+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Elite 8)

I think the email should at least be changed. "Looking for a coach with a more winning atmosphere". 29/30 winning seasons was not good enough for them. My one 12-15 rebuilding season would not cut it. lol I have said all I think I can. I hope that because of me this gets changed to better reflect real life.

After that last season, it's ridiculous to think they wouldn't have been thrilled you were even applying.

I've always thought it was dumb that some schools would stay sim AI instead of hiring a coach. I wish they changed the job process to have a similar property that recruiting has in that you can reach out to a recruit get the backup option and then when he doesn't get the attention that he expected he contacts you saying he's interested. It would be cool if you could apply for a job get turned down and then if you haven't taken a new job and that school is still open they will contact you saying they'd like to set up a meeting or something like that.

Anton, are you really trying to play devils advocate? Do you really think that EVERYTHING should be based on a 4 year window? And they should not be trying to find reasons to get rid of sims then keep them. Sim Ai finished with a record that was 2-6 worse. They have a worse record last season with no postseason. If acn24 was still there I would say they had no right not even consider me. but he wasn't. You realize that. Youa re grasping for straws here IMO. Nice job playing devils advocate, though. Probably fooled a few. Do you not hink that this  is a change that needs to be made ASAP though, anton. Do you really think that all is well.

48	porkpower	20-13	12-6	5-6	3-1	8-8		77	A-	PI (3rd Round)
47	porkpower	12-15	11-7	1-7	0-1	3-13		125	A-
46	porkpower	28-6	17-1	5-3	6-2	12-4	16	8	A	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Final Four)
45	porkpower	19-8	15-2	4-5	0-1	10-6		105	A-

If we can all at least agree that longevity needs to play a part a long with some find of windows then we can get something done about it fast.

Anton, for the benefit of HD just admit that this was foolish using common sense.

pork, try not to read only what you expect to see.