1 By civilization I meant malls and Condos. M-59 used to be where the sticks started back when I was a youth (1976). After the built Lakeside Mall the development took off and people moved from the south to the north.

2 We have bad neighberhoods in Detroit. We also have thriving areas with great local flair!

3 As a region we have a great Mexican area, Middle Eastern region (As well as Middle eastern food throughout the area), Polish, German and Italian areas. We are truly a melting pot of Old world combined with Strong American work ethic.

4 And were you scared of the reality around you or the media image of what you though we were.

5 And violent crime in the Detroit area is dropping like a RINO against a Tea Partyer!

And can anyone that bad mouthed Warren explain why??

Warren (The Buy American City) Rocks!

Watched it again. Another person, who doesnt read my stuff here, also said it is like people from New York who did no local research reading lines written by people who looked up Detroit in Wikipedia.

I wonder if other shows are like this.

Does anyone else notice that a show about their area really doesnt seem to fit?

Fermi 2 has been slowly conditioning Detroiters to radiation poisoning. Do your worst!

I would think that you would agree that every major city has some problems.

Detroit...A major league team for all 4 sports. Not even LA can claim that.

Solid Symphony and Opera. Also a steady supply of live theater.

Some of the best malls in America.

Great road system.

We are havin some economic problems right now, but this to shall pass.

Detroit is an unusual case. As people moved away from Detroit to the Suburbs, cars allowed them to move farther away. We have a huge suburban base, but areas of the city itself are abandoned.

In most cities people are forced into a smaller area by transportaition issues. In Detroit we kept moving out.

The abandoned areas in Detroit are signs of progress, not decay.

Actually I was in LA in January-February of 2000.

I thought about Swamp today...

dino27 started a "Gone But Not Forgotten" thread in Sim League Baseball. It got me thinking about Swamphawk22. I browsed some history. Memories came flowing back. I started looking for old posts of his and eventually found this one. I remembered how he was good people and how much he meant and still means to me. This was a VERY good read.

I thought about Swamp today...

He liked big women and gigantic boobs and did an incredible job of explaining all the great things about Detroit here in this 10 year old bit. He'd be proud to see what Detroit has become now. I know DougOut knew him well and may have been friends outside of WIS. Swamp was a mad genius type of writer here and you could always count on him to put up a great fight and be creative. His antagonism and comedy is that of legend. His presence in those days on WIS was something that, love him or hate him, was special. We traded a few sitemails back then with Detroit and music being mutual things we'd talk about. It made me feel good to have those memories. And extremely sad recollecting the day I found out about his passing here on WIS.

I thought about Swamp today...

Which then led me to an even more extensive trip down the proverbial "memory lane" of WIS. I read a bunch of old threads. I laughed and was thoroughly entertained by the conversation. I found that swamphawk may have been the reason why the PDB term was invented. The common thread throughout it all is that the dialogue is just amazing. Lots of screwing with each other. Lots of keyboard vitriol. Lots of laughs. And I even got a brief look at the evolution of the mutual distaste for each other that exists between DougOut and myself. All of this made me glad that some of us are still sparring partners here in the WIS world. It makes me hope that the "hate" between people like DougOut and I stays on these pages and never spills into the streets like it seems happens every damn day now.

I thought about Swamp today...

I laughed and reminisced and enjoyed every bit of a different time again. As I sit here now, near tears while writing this, I truly hope it would mean something to his spirit to be remembered here. I hope he somehow knows that his humanity and all of his flaws and strengths and his glorious humor were remembered today. I hope that DougOut actually reads this and steps outside the arena and shares some memories of swamp. I hope common ground can be a real thing again.

Because I thought about Swamp today...

Godspeed Brother