end of recruiting. all those ranked players not signing with sims.  went through some d1 sims. looks like walk ons instead.

Posted by ethan66 on 4/12/2011 12:05:00 AM (view original):
YOu absolutely can still pull down players.  And they aren't going to be 'less effective' because they will be going against players of similar caliber.

I understand that.  I'm not even against an attempt to make the D1 game more fair. But you're still missing my point.

This is strictly selfish coming from someone who has only now (after 3 seasons, due to learning ropes) started to recruit decent players in D2, and (after 1 season) in D3:  My competition has a head start on me due to having 4 classes of good players on board, which is how they got their A prestige.  My D3 squad started with C prestige, but because I was rebuilding and playing freshmen a lot of minutes, it slipped to C-.  It's liable to slip even more this season, but while I have 1 decent class of players enrolled, they're still working with 3 or 4.  By the time we're all actually on that level playing field you're talking about, my prestige could well be in the low-to-mid D's most likely and the work of building the program just became so tediously long I question whether it's worth it.

This isn't about the change being unfair.  It's about how the change impacts someone who is basically starting from scratch.

I honestly haven't noticed a huge d3 difference(No, this ID doesn't have a d3 team.  my other one does)(d2, yes. on the other hand)

I also think rather than putting back the old recruit division the next thing that should be worked on is the simai recruiting logic.

Posted by carlnault on 4/12/2011 12:29:00 AM (view original):
end of recruiting. all those ranked players not signing with sims.  went through some d1 sims. looks like walk ons instead.

The other question is. . does anyone have a record of what proportion of ranked players went completely unsigned pre-changes to compare this to? 

I guess this would be in the FWIW column, but Ethan... C- is as low as it goes in DIII. Allen, the fullest DIII world has about 225 C- prestige teams. Just 0 difference between all C prestige teams in DIII.
I know that's not exactly what you're saying... but even if you had a C+ this season,,,, you will recruit the exact same players... no difference at all.

Posted by mizzou77 on 4/12/2011 3:30:00 PM (view original):
I guess this would be in the FWIW column, but Ethan... C- is as low as it goes in DIII. Allen, the fullest DIII world has about 225 C- prestige teams. Just 0 difference between all C prestige teams in DIII.
I know that's not exactly what you're saying... but even if you had a C+ this season,,,, you will recruit the exact same players... no difference at all.

Thanks, mizzou. I'd forgotten that.

I went back and reviewed my D3 recruits last year vs the 2 I signed this year, and the total rating for this season's signees was actually higher than last season.  So I'm going to blame my confusion trying to run both a D2 and a D3 team. :) 

Most of my anger was probably because I spent so much money on a 450-ish guy who was 10 miles from campus and was snatched away by an A prestige school.  That's not the fault of the system, it's mine for aiming a little too high.  I won't make that mistake again.