Posted by gillispie on 10/23/2012 9:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jdno on 10/23/2012 5:26:00 PM (view original):
well it doesn't make 100% sense to me, as the story as laid out is inconsistent with what I've seen before in some fashion.

1. He wasn't immediately recruitable as a D2 kid within 70 miles b/c he said he was a backup right from the start.
2. He didn't pull the kid down b/c he canceled the evals.
3. The kid didn't drop down to his D3 level b/c he remained on the D2 screen at all times
4. Yet, just 2 HVs and some calls and a scholly and the kid signed and is still on the D2 screen. 

If he hadn't given the backup message immediately, then I'd understand the circumstance 100% given the <70 miles advantage we know exists.

So apparently there is a new case (or new to me?) where a kid can give you a backup message at first and then later drop to you but still remain on the D2 list simply b/c he's within 70 miles?  Has this always been the case?  How would you know that a kid has dropped to you and is available to be recruited with HV/CVs if he doesn't circle back to you?  Is the onus on the coach to send some calls and use trial and error on kids within 70 miles who initially said you're a backup but now may have dropped down to you but still not appear on your D3 list?  Very weird case here imo.

this is not a new case. its been around for a number of years. he DOES circle back to you, so thats how you know. no, the onus is not that crazy method. like all players- send ONE phone call, and wait for him to respond. thats it.

there are bugs today even, where a player who shows in your divisional search WILL NOT immediately take your visits - and to a phone call, will say hes a backup. the PHONE CALL METHOD IS THE ONLY 100% FOR SURE PART LEFT IN RECRUITING. IF YOU SEND A PHONE CALL, TO ANY PLAYER, IN ANY DIVISION, AT ANY DISTANCES, WITH ANY PRESTIGE, AND FOR SCHOOLS IN ANY DIVISION, THE FOLLOWING ALWAYS HOLD - AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE:
1) IF HE SAYS SCREW OFF, YOU CAN NEVER GET HIM
2) IF HE SAYS YOU ARE A BACKUP, YOU CAN PULL HIM DOWN OR WAIT AND HOPE HE DROPS. IF HE DROPS, HE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN IT HAPPENS. DROP MEANING HE CAN BE RECRUITED NORMALLY (HV/CV). NOT WHAT DIVISIONAL SEARCH HE SHOWS IN
3) IF HE SAYS YOU CAN RECRUIT HIM NOW, YOU CAN

i am not using caps to yell. its for emphasis. those phone call rules hold ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS. its the only absolute left in recruiting if you count the bugs that have come out. it is and always has worked that way for players within 70 miles, at least for 5 years (the phone call stuff). THAT PHONE CALL METHOD WILL NOT LEAD YOU ASTRAY, TRUST IT ABOVE ALL ELSE, ALWAYS, WITHOUT EXCEPTION

Agree with Jeff, but he forgot two - 

4) HE MIGHT IGNORE THE CALL (AND YOU DON'T GET THE MONEY BACK) - YOU CAN NEVER GET HIM
5) HE MIGHT REFUSE THE CALL (AND YOU DO GET MONEY BACK) - YOU CAN NEVER GET HIM

thanks for the insights on this situation everyone.  Knowing is half the battle

yeah thats true dac, thanks! although id really just amend it to
1) IF HE SAYS SCREW OFF, OR REFUSES TO TAKE THE CALL (GIVES MONEY BACK), OR TAKES THE CALL BUT IGNORES YOU (NO INBOX RESPONSE) - YOU CAN NEVER GET HIM

i guess we could lose the caps, but wheres the fun in that :)

Are you 100% sure about that last part?  I've never personally had it happen, but I've been told by others that very rarely if they ignore your call (not reject, but ignore) you can still get a backup message from additional calls.  Just wondering if you've ever heard of that happening.

Posted by spasticity on 10/24/2012 1:01:00 PM (view original):
Are you 100% sure about that last part?  I've never personally had it happen, but I've been told by others that very rarely if they ignore your call (not reject, but ignore) you can still get a backup message from additional calls.  Just wondering if you've ever heard of that happening.

im well over 99% sure, but i wouldnt call it 100%. its impossible to prove it could never happen, only possible to prove the opposite with an example. but, if there was an example, im well over 99% sure i would have heard about it. plus, ive probably tried a hundred myself to be sure, years ago.

after further consideration, the confusion may come re: scholarship messages. if a player rejects your scholarship outright, its still possible, in rare cases, he can be recruited. im guessing some miscommunication or misunderstanding surrounding that fact resulted in what you heard about phone calls.

Posted by coach_billyg on 10/24/2012 1:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by spasticity on 10/24/2012 1:01:00 PM (view original):
Are you 100% sure about that last part?  I've never personally had it happen, but I've been told by others that very rarely if they ignore your call (not reject, but ignore) you can still get a backup message from additional calls.  Just wondering if you've ever heard of that happening.

im well over 99% sure, but i wouldnt call it 100%. its impossible to prove it could never happen, only possible to prove the opposite with an example. but, if there was an example, im well over 99% sure i would have heard about it. plus, ive probably tried a hundred myself to be sure, years ago.

after further consideration, the confusion may come re: scholarship messages. if a player rejects your scholarship outright, its still possible, in rare cases, he can be recruited. im guessing some miscommunication or misunderstanding surrounding that fact resulted in what you heard about phone calls.

Yeah I figured there was a decent chance of a misunderstanding like that.  I've tried it enough times myself to believe that it's not possible, but I just thought I'd ask.