Posted by MikeT23 on 12/27/2016 8:57:00 AM (view original):
If they change it now, the D3 schools that have 2-3 seasons of recruiting low level D1 have a distinct advantage for the next 6-8 months. That's EXACTLY why you can't make a change then make another change to negate the first change 2-3 months later.

Not if you just change the floors and ceilings for what a player is classified. Changing those would just give D3 teams actual worthwhile recruits (which are now labeled as D2 recruits) that would be willing to sign in session 1. The opportunity to reach for the D1 guys is still there, it's just not as much of a necessity since D3 and D2 guys would have a higher ceiling than they do now.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/27/2016 8:57:00 AM (view original):
If they change it now, the D3 schools that have 2-3 seasons of recruiting low level D1 have a distinct advantage for the next 6-8 months. That's EXACTLY why you can't make a change then make another change to negate the first change 2-3 months later.

This has been going on forever and is no big deal. Every time tarek/Seble changed recruit generation people complained about the same thing but it was a small issue.

It seems like it would be. If a few "down" seasons of poor recruiting results aren't a big deal, I think this forum disappears. Losing a battle, no big deal. Couple of unexpected EE, no big deal.

IOW, if users have been getting 550 FR and now it's topped off at 495, that's a big swing. And, since they're D3, they aren't declaring early. It's a multi-season effect.

Posted by CoachSpud on 12/27/2016 1:32:00 AM (view original):
"Ha. Here goes Spud sharing lies about Beta. .... I posted many times about how D3 teams were signing elite talent (myself included) and it was a problem."

Frik'n hilarious. First you toss around a word like "liar," and then you give an example of exactly what I was talking about. If it weren't for the irony, people would notice that you are the liar. But it happens often enough that I am sure others have noticed it.

Nope. You are the liar Spud. We all know it and you're not fooling anyone.

Keep telling yourself that I'm a 'hater".

You spelled "hypocrite" wrong. You're a hypocrite not a hater.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/27/2016 10:39:00 AM (view original):
It seems like it would be. If a few "down" seasons of poor recruiting results aren't a big deal, I think this forum disappears. Losing a battle, no big deal. Couple of unexpected EE, no big deal.

IOW, if users have been getting 550 FR and now it's topped off at 495, that's a big swing. And, since they're D3, they aren't declaring early. It's a multi-season effect.

Yes, if it's "topped off". I know I'm getting repetitive, but the ability to recruit D1 recruits shouldn't become impossible, it should just become less of a necessity. I'd love to have a few D3 role players that were safer recruiting options so I could save $ for a battle or two, but D3 guys are (with a few exceptions) pretty useless. You have to recruit D1/D2 players in D3 to even be competitive.

Completely arbitrary (here's how you use that word, Spud) rating examples here, but if the top D3 recruit is a 460, I would like that to be raised to 500. Bottom D2 recruit is 460, raise it to 500. Bottom D3 recruit is 510, raise it to 560. Simple change. It really only makes the recruit filters more accurate, and it makes session 1 signings a real thing for D3 teams.

I'm almost positive you understand what I'm saying but I'll repeat it differently to make sure.

Last three seasons, D3 school signed these guys:
550 now 700 in his junior year
545 now 643 in his sophomore year
548 in his freshman year.

Now, I'm recruiting 500 guys(as is everyone). That's a rough few seasons for the guy recruiting his first class.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/27/2016 11:37:00 AM (view original):
I'm almost positive you understand what I'm saying but I'll repeat it differently to make sure.

Last three seasons, D3 school signed these guys:
550 now 700 in his junior year
545 now 643 in his sophomore year
548 in his freshman year.

Now, I'm recruiting 500 guys(as is everyone). That's a rough few seasons for the guy recruiting his first class.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Why would you not be able to recruit the 550, 545, or 548 guys? I'm not suggesting we take that away, I'm just suggesting we don't make recruiting upper division players the only option. I'll want to recruit the players in the 540s and 550s, but if I have 5 scholarships I'd like it if I could get at least 2 or 3 safe options in case battles come up, and it'd be nice to be able to find those safe options in the proposed higher-ceiling D3 pool, especially if I could actually sign them in the first session.

I don't want to take away the opportunity to sign upper-tier players.

I don't want to take away the opportunity to sign upper-tier players.

I also feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Unless you're suggesting that the overall general quality of players is better(and you know I'm going to call that retarded if you've read one single HBD post I've every made on the subject), the pool will be the same. You're simply making it easier for D3 schools to get better players.

Seems like I've heard this somewhere else. So now the question is "Why does no one care about the ease/difficulty of D2 teams signing players?" Because we've certainly had enough complaints about the difficulties of D1.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/27/2016 12:14:00 PM (view original):
I also feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Unless you're suggesting that the overall general quality of players is better(and you know I'm going to call that retarded if you've read one single HBD post I've every made on the subject), the pool will be the same. You're simply making it easier for D3 schools to get better players.

Seems like I've heard this somewhere else. So now the question is "Why does no one care about the ease/difficulty of D2 teams signing players?" Because we've certainly had enough complaints about the difficulties of D1.

Ahh okay, I understand where the disconnect is now. No, I don't want the players edited at all. I just want to change which recruits show up in each division's recruiting filter. The quality of players all stay the same, it'd just possible to build an okay D3 team with D3 recruits. As it stands, most recruits that show up in the D3 filter wouldn't be useful players on any team, and very few players if any get signed session 1.

I had a 479 D1 taken from me last season. That's a pretty drastic change in the bar.

And what I'm saying still holds true but in reverse.

I've been signing 440, 422, 458 for the last three seasons. They are the foundation of my team.

Now, with the bar raised, guys will be taking 483, 491, 479 with ease. Their scrubs might be as good as my 2nd year starters. And I can't cut the crap I recruited to even the playing field.

Posted by mbriese on 12/27/2016 12:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/27/2016 12:14:00 PM (view original):
I also feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Unless you're suggesting that the overall general quality of players is better(and you know I'm going to call that retarded if you've read one single HBD post I've every made on the subject), the pool will be the same. You're simply making it easier for D3 schools to get better players.

Seems like I've heard this somewhere else. So now the question is "Why does no one care about the ease/difficulty of D2 teams signing players?" Because we've certainly had enough complaints about the difficulties of D1.

Ahh okay, I understand where the disconnect is now. No, I don't want the players edited at all. I just want to change which recruits show up in each division's recruiting filter. The quality of players all stay the same, it'd just possible to build an okay D3 team with D3 recruits. As it stands, most recruits that show up in the D3 filter wouldn't be useful players on any team, and very few players if any get signed session 1.

Recruit generation is real bad.

Posted by Benis on 12/27/2016 11:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 12/27/2016 1:32:00 AM (view original):
"Ha. Here goes Spud sharing lies about Beta. .... I posted many times about how D3 teams were signing elite talent (myself included) and it was a problem."

Frik'n hilarious. First you toss around a word like "liar," and then you give an example of exactly what I was talking about. If it weren't for the irony, people would notice that you are the liar. But it happens often enough that I am sure others have noticed it.

Nope. You are the liar Spud. We all know it and you're not fooling anyone.

Keep telling yourself that I'm a 'hater".

I haven't said that you are a hater, but if you feel guilty about that I guess you know yourself better than anyone would from just your posts.

From your posts we can see that you are borderline stupid on occasion, though. When you call me a liar and then in the very same post give an example of what I was talking about, you can bet that only the stupid miss that, only the stupid swallow what you sell so poorly ... and if you believe your own Kool-Aid then you qualify as one of those who missed the point.

Posted by MonsterTurtl on 12/26/2016 11:38:00 AM (view original):
I don't like how D3 teams recruiting D2 players can't sign a player until the 2nd cycle. D3 players are not good enough for any top level D3 team, and since they have to wait until the 2nd cycle to sign a D2 player, and the last day to sign a D1 player, we are left with a waiting game, we have to fend off other players for 5 days to get the player that we want. If we lose a battle, it will be too late to find someone else. It makes recruiting so much more annoying for us D3 players.

Back to the original post ... and hopefully moving beyond the nonsense.

Here is the biggest truism posted by MonsterTurtl- "D3 players are not good enough for any top level D3 team"

I don't even bother scouting D3 recruits for my D3 team ... and I'm in Texas with a large pool of recruits. The D3 recruits ALL suck, except for an occasional D3 JC.

Nobody can win at D3 with D3 recruits. And this is especially discouraging for newbies who don't understand this.

There needs to be better recruits available at D3 ... or just eliminate the category ... it really has no value.

Might as well have the D3 schools all fish in the D2 tank ... mindful that the D2 schools will always have some advantage.