Posted by Benis on 1/28/2017 9:10:00 AM (view original):
Totally agree with the last point. I think it was an oversight rather than intentional.

Would have been nice to do beta for a little longer to test these things out.

They can make some changes. Why is it taking forever?

They announced back in Nov that they were working on a few things

-emails notifying when recruiting was starting. Check.
-Providing additional information on chances of landing a recruit. Check (Iba only)
- Earlier EE announcements. Crickets.
-Job change and firing logic. Crickets. (This was actually announced back in October).

So we got some stuff fixed and I think the email thing was a critical one. Not sure why the job logic is taking so long though. Here's what was said back then on Oct 13th.
"Thanks to everyone who has been participating in expressing their thoughts. We have been documenting the suggestions in here and there will be a more detailed post coming in the near future that will outline that changes that will be happening."

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=496808&page=5

A related issue, IMO, is that when you take over a SIM team that has recruited players in the first session, those recruits are assigned to you. You can't cut them without penalty, and you don't get resources for them. I've also noticed that when a team loses a human coach and is taken over by sim, the sim doesn't lose the consideration - only if the team is picked up by a new coach. I sent in a ticket about the first, and was told it was a known glitch they're working on.

I think the issues are related in that they have to do with how multi-user recruiting effort on the same guy are treated. I agree that the situation where you lose all previous effort AND are blocked from further effort is a glitch. On its own, it seems like this is inviting collusion. "You're leaving after the season? How about you do me a favor, and fight me for this elite recruit before you go. Spend all your cash, do all your visits. It will scare everyone away, and when you leave, I'll get him without a fight." I seem to remember this being an acknowledged issue at the end of beta, something that would have to be ironed out. And it could be that it is just taking a lot of testing, and maybe will be part of the promised hiring/firing logic fix.

Until then, send tickets, and manage expectations. As it stands, the first season taking over a new team that was human controlled last season is likely to be terrible. You can't expect anything other than gap filler recruits in that interim season. Anything more than that is icing.

(Real life scenario warning) When PJ Fleck left W Mich for MINN, several recruits flipped their commitment to MINN. Fleck's recruiting effort went with him to MINN.

Could the same thing be done here? Would it "fix" anything? Obviously the OP still would not have effort into the recruit, but he did not have that effort anyway.

Posted by jt2xTTU on 1/28/2017 9:55:00 AM (view original):
(Real life scenario warning) When PJ Fleck left W Mich for MINN, several recruits flipped their commitment to MINN. Fleck's recruiting effort went with him to MINN.

Could the same thing be done here? Would it "fix" anything? Obviously the OP still would not have effort into the recruit, but he did not have that effort anyway.

I like this idea a lot and would add a lot of depth to recruiting since as you say, this is what really would happen.

But I've also been a fan of Coach prestige vs team prestige.

Posted by Benis on 1/28/2017 10:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jt2xTTU on 1/28/2017 9:55:00 AM (view original):
(Real life scenario warning) When PJ Fleck left W Mich for MINN, several recruits flipped their commitment to MINN. Fleck's recruiting effort went with him to MINN.

Could the same thing be done here? Would it "fix" anything? Obviously the OP still would not have effort into the recruit, but he did not have that effort anyway.

I like this idea a lot and would add a lot of depth to recruiting since as you say, this is what really would happen.

But I've also been a fan of Coach prestige vs team prestige.

Not a bad idea, but with the caveat that players should not move "down" in prestige, only lateral and up.

I know I do not feel moving on under 3.0 is easier... There is no reason to change jobs unless you are ready for the next step. Long time coach is a key preference and helps land recruit.

the interesting point in this thread, in my opinion, is not the "its too hard"...."it should be hard" generalizations. Rather the original poster's experience about the loss of specific effort and then being barred from making such effort. This specific point looks to me like it could not have rationally been intended.

Posted by jt2xTTU on 1/28/2017 9:55:00 AM (view original):
(Real life scenario warning) When PJ Fleck left W Mich for MINN, several recruits flipped their commitment to MINN. Fleck's recruiting effort went with him to MINN.

Could the same thing be done here? Would it "fix" anything? Obviously the OP still would not have effort into the recruit, but he did not have that effort anyway.

I love this idea. On top of this, it'd be nice if there were some variable where some underclassmen would want to transfer to their coach's new school. Granted, this would mostly result in them going elsewhere as the new school would probably be higher division / prestige than the old, but I bet there are some coaches that would love to retain a few recently recruited underclassmen when moving to a new team.

nice idea for 4.0

Funny, because while UCLA was always my target school, I have played with the idea of moving just to have a new challenge. One of the effects of 3.0 is that I likely will never do so. And I imagine several others feel the same way.

To the extent they want turnover at Top 10 prestige schools as a marketing draw, they have stunted that chance unless they lose a customer (a different marketing fail).

Posted by fd343ny on 1/28/2017 6:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/28/2017 1:26:00 AM (view original):
This is a very peculiar thread to me. I've taken over teams at D3, D2 and D1 and it has worked out pretty well. I guess not trying to force a square peg into a round hole, i.e. not playing the game like I want it to be or like HD 2.0 was, but playing 3,0 as it is, works out pretty nicely.

did you run into the phenomen the OP described - where effort was cancelled, but new effort was foreclosed?

Not once, not under this screen name nor any other screen name (which the hater stupidly ignored). This causes me to wonder if the game actually worked for the OP as he described, or if he missed something. If it were as he experienced, I would think that he would send a ticket and get an explanation, not whine and bltch in the forums. To each his own, I guess.

"I agree that the situation where you lose all previous effort AND are blocked from further effort is a glitch. On its own, it seems like this is inviting collusion. 'You're leaving after the season? How about you do me a favor, and fight me for this elite recruit before you go. Spend all your cash, do all your visits. It will scare everyone away, and when you leave, I'll get him without a fight.' "

I agree with this, too, if that's the way it happened. A simple ticket will get to the bottom of it. Hey, OP, what did they say to your ticket?

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/28/2017 1:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 1/28/2017 6:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/28/2017 1:26:00 AM (view original):
This is a very peculiar thread to me. I've taken over teams at D3, D2 and D1 and it has worked out pretty well. I guess not trying to force a square peg into a round hole, i.e. not playing the game like I want it to be or like HD 2.0 was, but playing 3,0 as it is, works out pretty nicely.

did you run into the phenomen the OP described - where effort was cancelled, but new effort was foreclosed?

Not once, not under this screen name nor any other screen name (which the hater stupidly ignored). This causes me to wonder if the game actually worked for the OP as he described, or if he missed something. If it were as he experienced, I would think that he would send a ticket and get an explanation, not whine and bltch in the forums. To each his own, I guess.

a pointless post.