I do find it funny if people say this new recruiting is realistic.

How often in real life do you see a player list his final 3 and he needs to decide between Michigan State, Rockhurst and Chestnut Hill. Gee. Tough choice.

Posted by shoe3 on 10/29/2018 10:49:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by topdogggbm on 10/28/2018 9:48:00 AM (view original):
I noticed no one addressed what I said. That's because I'm correct. Again, no other explanation than luck, when Team A has a D1 snatch their mediocre recruit. And Team B gets lucky and has no D1s come for his recruit that is much much better. And sure there are variables. But the biggest is that no D1 coaches looked at Team Bs recruit as time was passing. But they did look at Team As recruit. Neither team reached to high, nor did anything wrong. Proven by the fact that Team B signed his player.

i've signed the #33 PG at D2 with no humans in sight. (And he is a player that lives to to his rank. Not a player that the game ranked too high). And i've had players ripped away that aren't ranked, and shouldn't be ranked. There's no pattern. And anyone who can't see this big picture, confuses me. Because if you play D2 and D3, you've seen this all unfold. You've lost less talented players while your conference mates sign players that were better. It just is what it is

Most aren't seeing the big picture and all of the scenario's involved at play here. A huge amount of luck is involved. And I did have backup options, just in case. But that doesn't change the fact that I had 3 recruits jumped on right before 1st period signings, 3 not great, but players that could've significantly benefited my team. And very possibly John Doe, having a D-2 team on the west coast never has that issue of a D-1 team jumping on recruits, especially if you aren't in an area where there aren't a lot of mid majors. That's the one thing I've noticed, if you're going to pick a D-2 team, do it in an area where there aren't a lot of D-1 low to mid major teams that can pick you off. And I know, I used to be that team on the west coast where no D-1 team would bother me.

Well yeah, it’s geography. Knowing geography and who is in your area is the biggest part of determining how high you can reasonably reach. If you’re just guessing, you really shouldn’t be blaming “luck”.

Well of course there is a lot of luck involved with recruiting and in the game itself, never said it wasn't. So if those teams didn't jump on those 3 players, is that supposed to be good luck? I also said I should've done more research into it, but that still doesn't mean that I'm not at a decent school for recruiting. The answer is I don't know. I might be, but then again I might not. But you had already ruled out the luck factor, so you can't really use the geography argument to further make your point.

In D-2 Tark, there is only one team in the past 20 seasons that has more than one championship. Coaches from the last 10 championships seasons, I believe 9 of those coaches are still there. 80-90% of the reason you win championships is from recruiting. The other remaining percentage is game planning, maybe give or take 10%.

You're not really looking at the whole picture when it comes to recruiting. Just because a coach has backup options, which I did with my D-2 team, that's still taking away your potential 1st, 2nd and 3rd players and replacing them with your 6th, 7th and 8th. That's a huge difference when it comes to trying to win a national championship.

And when it comes to recruiting, yes there are choices to be made, but only up to a certain point. You can increase your odds by making certain educated decisions, but if you're already on that one player you're targeting, and Team B comes in late to get to "high" and they end up winning up that recruit, that's luck, you need a crystal ball for those types of situations. What are you supposed to do? Stop recruiting that player because Team B got to high and target your backup options?

Posted by thewizard17 on 10/29/2018 12:14:00 PM (view original):
And when it comes to recruiting, yes there are choices to be made, but only up to a certain point. You can increase your odds by making certain educated decisions, but if you're already on that one player you're targeting, and Team B comes in late to get to "high" and they end up winning up that recruit, that's luck, you need a crystal ball for those types of situations. What are you supposed to do? Stop recruiting that player because Team B got to high and target your backup options?

First of all, forget the crystal ball. No one has or needs one.

Second, what you are “supposed” to do depends on how you want to play. If you are risk averse, and want to avoid ever losing battles, then yes, you should aim quite a bit lower, or drop him right away and move on. I don’t think that’s the best way to play, but if losing individual battles is that upsetting to you, find a way to play that you enjoy.

I fought off low and mid major D1 teams all the time at ACU. Sometimes I got beat, sometimes I didn’t. Sometimes I let go and moved on pretty fast, because I was playing FB/press. If you’re recruiting those players that would be elite at your level, and therefore likely to attract attention from higher levels, you have to make smart decisions. Know your geography, know where your preferences are, and definitely pay attention to signing tendency. It’s hard to win battles for first session signees, because all the higher level team has to do is get *just* within signing range, and even if you’re way in front in terms of effort credit, you’ve lost him. So signing tendency should definitely be a part of your calculus.

One of the top 3 bigs I recruited at ACU was a D2 pool player, and I only went after him when Colorado St. beat me for my top target (posted him a few times in the forums, recently on beachouse’s thread). By the end of his soph season, he was better than the guy I let go. I always had a D2 pool player on my squads, and usually more than one. All that to say, I prioritized backup options, it was a choice I made, so when rolls didn’t go my way, or when some D1 coach did something I didn’t expect, it wasn’t the end of the world. I don’t look at any individual battle as “the game”.

A lot of you buttercups should toughen up a bit. Sometimes bigger schools come after your recruits. You adjust and adapt. If your backups aren't good enough to compete year in and year out you are doing something wrong on the scouting/resource management end.

Posted by Benis on 10/29/2018 11:56:00 AM (view original):
I do find it funny if people say this new recruiting is realistic.

How often in real life do you see a player list his final 3 and he needs to decide between Michigan State, Rockhurst and Chestnut Hill. Gee. Tough choice.

This battle has been fought and lost. Time to move on.

Posted by kcsundevil on 10/29/2018 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 10/29/2018 11:56:00 AM (view original):
I do find it funny if people say this new recruiting is realistic.

How often in real life do you see a player list his final 3 and he needs to decide between Michigan State, Rockhurst and Chestnut Hill. Gee. Tough choice.

This battle has been fought and lost. Time to move on.

Never!!

Posted by Trentonjoe on 10/29/2018 1:10:00 PM (view original):
A lot of you buttercups should toughen up a bit. Sometimes bigger schools come after your recruits. You adjust and adapt. If your backups aren't good enough to compete year in and year out you are doing something wrong on the scouting/resource management end.

I agree. You have to be thick skinned sometimes to play D2 and D3. It can be very aggravating. But it is nice to be able to come here and discuss. If you never have recruits taken away from you by higher level programs, you're probably not reaching high enough to compete at a high level. It happens. And yes, it sucks when it does. I've thrown my share of laptops and phones across the room. But that goes away after you realize the stupidity in that. And realize that if you're signing "some" of these players, you're headed in the right direction.

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Posted by topdogggbm on 10/28/2018 9:48:00 AM (view original):
I noticed no one addressed what I said. That's because I'm correct. Again, no other explanation than luck, when Team A has a D1 snatch their mediocre recruit. And Team B gets lucky and has no D1s come for his recruit that is much much better. And sure there are variables. But the biggest is that no D1 coaches looked at Team Bs recruit as time was passing. But they did look at Team As recruit. Neither team reached to high, nor did anything wrong. Proven by the fact that Team B signed his player.

i've signed the #33 PG at D2 with no humans in sight. (And he is a player that lives to to his rank. Not a player that the game ranked too high). And i've had players ripped away that aren't ranked, and shouldn't be ranked. There's no pattern. And anyone who can't see this big picture, confuses me. Because if you play D2 and D3, you've seen this all unfold. You've lost less talented players while your conference mates sign players that were better. It just is what it is

Most aren't seeing the big picture and all of the scenario's involved at play here. A huge amount of luck is involved. And I did have backup options, just in case. But that doesn't change the fact that I had 3 recruits jumped on right before 1st period signings, 3 not great, but players that could've significantly benefited my team. And very possibly John Doe, having a D-2 team on the west coast never has that issue of a D-1 team jumping on recruits, especially if you aren't in an area where there aren't a lot of mid majors. That's the one thing I've noticed, if you're going to pick a D-2 team, do it in an area where there aren't a lot of D-1 low to mid major teams that can pick you off. And I know, I used to be that team on the west coast where no D-1 team would bother me.

Well yeah, it’s geography. Knowing geography and who is in your area is the biggest part of determining how high you can reasonably reach. If you’re just guessing, you really shouldn’t be blaming “luck”.

that's assuming that these coaches are recruiting locally. My D3 school is located in a congested New England area, I try to recruit as far away from home as possible to avoid battles. My favorite spots are California, Florida, and INTL recruits because of the sheer number of recruits available in the D1 pool. It really comes down to luck in my opinion. The last cycles of RS2 is when the desperate D1 coaches start flocking to any and every available body to fill their roster. Research as much as you want but that's not going to help when the low D1's like Pepperdine or San Jose State need anything resembling a PG during RS2.

I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. Are you saying that you recruit in California, Florida, and INTL with your D3 team in New England area?! Or were you just saying you like to recruit far away, and ALSO mentioned some of your favorite locations, but not related to your New England area D3 team?

That's some expensive recruiting on a D3 budget, reaching across the country

No I typically recruit far from home with that squad. 7 out of my 12 players on my current roster are from California. Besides the wading through the annoying Top 100, it’s not more expensive using Assistant Search.

Posted by Benis on 10/29/2018 11:56:00 AM (view original):
I do find it funny if people say this new recruiting is realistic.

How often in real life do you see a player list his final 3 and he needs to decide between Michigan State, Rockhurst and Chestnut Hill. Gee. Tough choice.

Rockhurst should win every time. I agree.

Go Hawks.

Posted by topdogggbm on 10/30/2018 4:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 10/29/2018 1:10:00 PM (view original):
A lot of you buttercups should toughen up a bit. Sometimes bigger schools come after your recruits. You adjust and adapt. If your backups aren't good enough to compete year in and year out you are doing something wrong on the scouting/resource management end.

I agree. You have to be thick skinned sometimes to play D2 and D3. It can be very aggravating. But it is nice to be able to come here and discuss. If you never have recruits taken away from you by higher level programs, you're probably not reaching high enough to compete at a high level. It happens. And yes, it sucks when it does. I've thrown my share of laptops and phones across the room. But that goes away after you realize the stupidity in that. And realize that if you're signing "some" of these players, you're headed in the right direction.

Exactly.