What are the most important voting issues for you? Topic

Posted by toddcommish on 6/16/2020 4:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 6/16/2020 4:09:00 PM (view original):
None of us are climate scientists. I mainly just take what they say at face value and follow their recommendations. Right now, it seems to be that we need to fight climate change now. Unless you believe in some sort of conspiracy around the research, there would be no reason to do otherwise. From what I understand, the issue with "research now, act later" is twofold. First, I don't think there's much more to uncover. Climate change is happening, we largely know why, and we have some ideas about what to do about it. Secondly, from what I can understand, we are going to reach enough CO2 that we are just ****** unless we magically are able to pull it out of the atmosphere using technology that doesn't exist yet. This is an issue that requires urgent action. We can't wait until cities are underwater to address it.

Addressing climate change sucks because in the short term, it's going to **** everyone over. It's going to require our economy to take a hit. But the longer we wait, the more drastic the solution will need to be. If we had taken action against this problem 30 years ago, we would probably be fine today. In terms of the economy, it's going to be better in the long run to take the hit now. Plus, America seems to be pretty good at developing tech. If we act now, and become more environmentally friendly, we will be way ahead of the curve. Everyone is going to have to adapt eventually, so we might as well do it now and help ourselves down the line.
I tend to NOT believe the scientists who are dependent on funding. They'll tell you (and the general public) almost anything to keep the gravy train going. That's why the narrative shifted from Global Warming to the more general, less committed "Climate Change". That way, any change in the temperature contributes to the narrative, despite the lack of statistical significance over, say, 4.5 billion years.

Humans will tough it out, evolving whatever characteristics are necessary to tolerate warmer/colder temps, higher/lower CO2, and Rob Manfred. Worry more about global extinction events like large asteroid chunks smashing into Mexico or large nuclear bombs being dropped on population centers. Those have really happened.

Deaths directly attributable to man-made climate change haven't.
Just because they haven't happened yet doesn't mean they will in the future. Who is profiting off these fake scientific studies? No one wants to believe in climate change.

The opposite is actually true. The climate denial "research" is funded completely by big oil and energy companies who do not want to be regulated. Here in Kansas, the Koch Brother(s) (ha) pay to insert climate skepticism in our education. If you think there is more money in climate change research than climate change denial, you're kidding yourself.

Evolution takes a long time. Thousands of years. Climate change, as we know it now, is happening far faster. This "science is a liar sometimes" argument is ridiculous.
6/16/2020 4:33 PM
Posted by tangplay on 6/16/2020 4:27:00 PM (view original):
How can you possibly call for unity while simultaneously denying people's heritage because they disagree with you and voting for a politician because he ****** others off?

You added another to the list by saying "IDGAF what you think". Doesn't sound very unifying to me. You can say whatever you want, but don't expect others to buy it.

If you want unity, live it. Here's something along the lines of what I would expect you to say if you actually believed in unifying the country:

"After distancing myself from these forums, I have come to realize that American politics and society is completely broken. Americans are so divided upon party lines that we would rather adopt the exact opposite position of those we disagree with than find common ground. I am guilty of this as well. In the past, I have expressed positions that I now realize have hurt political discourse in the country. In the future I am making an effort to agree with others more than I disagree, and to respect their positions as I expect them to respect mine. I would wish that others here would adopt this perspective as well."

I want peace. For my kids sake. Unfortunately it doesn’t look like peace is achievable. Both sides are too far gone. You have no idea what it is like to be a concerned parent. Your perspectives change. I would be willing to compromise with the Left and the Right for peace.
6/16/2020 4:34 PM
You will gain so much respect in my eyes if, following that statement, you say "I also don't believe that people who vote for Democrats are traitors to Jews" and "I don't like the fact that Trump makes the left angry because that leads to less peace."

6/16/2020 4:40 PM
Posted by tangplay on 6/16/2020 4:40:00 PM (view original):
You will gain so much respect in my eyes if, following that statement, you say "I also don't believe that people who vote for Democrats are traitors to Jews" and "I don't like the fact that Trump makes the left angry because that leads to less peace."

After hearing what Biden said, I agree my Jew statement was stupid. I still like that Trump makes the Left angry. Just being honest.
6/16/2020 4:46 PM
Posted by tangplay on 6/16/2020 4:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by toddcommish on 6/16/2020 4:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 6/16/2020 4:09:00 PM (view original):
None of us are climate scientists. I mainly just take what they say at face value and follow their recommendations. Right now, it seems to be that we need to fight climate change now. Unless you believe in some sort of conspiracy around the research, there would be no reason to do otherwise. From what I understand, the issue with "research now, act later" is twofold. First, I don't think there's much more to uncover. Climate change is happening, we largely know why, and we have some ideas about what to do about it. Secondly, from what I can understand, we are going to reach enough CO2 that we are just ****** unless we magically are able to pull it out of the atmosphere using technology that doesn't exist yet. This is an issue that requires urgent action. We can't wait until cities are underwater to address it.

Addressing climate change sucks because in the short term, it's going to **** everyone over. It's going to require our economy to take a hit. But the longer we wait, the more drastic the solution will need to be. If we had taken action against this problem 30 years ago, we would probably be fine today. In terms of the economy, it's going to be better in the long run to take the hit now. Plus, America seems to be pretty good at developing tech. If we act now, and become more environmentally friendly, we will be way ahead of the curve. Everyone is going to have to adapt eventually, so we might as well do it now and help ourselves down the line.
I tend to NOT believe the scientists who are dependent on funding. They'll tell you (and the general public) almost anything to keep the gravy train going. That's why the narrative shifted from Global Warming to the more general, less committed "Climate Change". That way, any change in the temperature contributes to the narrative, despite the lack of statistical significance over, say, 4.5 billion years.

Humans will tough it out, evolving whatever characteristics are necessary to tolerate warmer/colder temps, higher/lower CO2, and Rob Manfred. Worry more about global extinction events like large asteroid chunks smashing into Mexico or large nuclear bombs being dropped on population centers. Those have really happened.

Deaths directly attributable to man-made climate change haven't.
Just because they haven't happened yet doesn't mean they will in the future. Who is profiting off these fake scientific studies? No one wants to believe in climate change.

The opposite is actually true. The climate denial "research" is funded completely by big oil and energy companies who do not want to be regulated. Here in Kansas, the Koch Brother(s) (ha) pay to insert climate skepticism in our education. If you think there is more money in climate change research than climate change denial, you're kidding yourself.

Evolution takes a long time. Thousands of years. Climate change, as we know it now, is happening far faster. This "science is a liar sometimes" argument is ridiculous.
EVERY SINGLE CLIMATOLOGIST (and bogus "environmentalist" profiteers) is profiting from these studies. Seriously, before 1970, was there even a job called "climatologist"? Weren't they just weathermen or meteorologists?

Just because you might not be willing to indulge in scare tactics to keep your family fed doesn't mean that some less scrupulous might not figure out that keeping the people scared every time the thermometer swings makes the cash register ring.

You're willing to believe that big oil and energy is willing to lie to keep getting money, yet you DON'T believe that the other side is doing the EXACT SAME THING?!?! That's one of the problems with current political discourse, everyone thinks THEY'RE on the moral high road, when they're just in self-preservation mode. If you're a scientist and you have a family to feed, you're gonna balance your moral compass based on how it serves your family. Yes, it's cynical. But it's true.
6/16/2020 5:26 PM
I appreciate your honesty. I wish you would acknowledge that your own views contribute heavily to the political divide and lack of peace in America.

For instance, when you vote for candidates because (or like them because) they make people mad (thus increasing the divide), you make it impossible to participate in rational political discussion. Can you at least see why this parallel would frustrate the hell out of me?

What motivation to you have for complaining about the lack of peace when you like people who, by your own statement, serve a purpose of dividing?
6/16/2020 5:26 PM
TANG IS A COMMIE!
6/16/2020 6:04 PM
nice meme doug
6/16/2020 6:08 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 6/16/2020 4:18:00 PM (view original):
Pick a lane? I pick a lane of a taxpayer with free speech. My point is I would ease into some of my POVs for unity. IDGAF what you think. This place is a sewer.
what a coincidence! None of us give a **** what any of the rest of us think.
6/16/2020 6:10 PM
I disagree. I care what other people's opinions are (at least the ones who can articulate a coherent argument). Why do you think I made this thread?
6/16/2020 6:13 PM
are anyone else's opinions going to change your mind? It's doubtful.You might enjoy debating the various opinions, but do you really cae what DougOut or cccp or I think?
6/16/2020 6:17 PM
I think strikeout has changed my mind on some issues. Dahs has brought up interesting arguments before that make me rethink things. I would hope that I could have a similar effect on others (although, probably not).

I don't care what people like Doug or all3 have to say, because they never add anything constructive.
6/16/2020 6:19 PM
very few people here add anything constructive.
6/16/2020 6:21 PM
Posted by wylie715 on 6/16/2020 6:21:00 PM (view original):
very few people here add anything constructive.
Meh, it's interesting to see how both sides process their information... If nothing else, each side learns more about how the other side came to their (misguided) opinions....
6/16/2020 6:36 PM
Posted by tangplay on 6/16/2020 5:26:00 PM (view original):
I appreciate your honesty. I wish you would acknowledge that your own views contribute heavily to the political divide and lack of peace in America.

For instance, when you vote for candidates because (or like them because) they make people mad (thus increasing the divide), you make it impossible to participate in rational political discussion. Can you at least see why this parallel would frustrate the hell out of me?

What motivation to you have for complaining about the lack of peace when you like people who, by your own statement, serve a purpose of dividing?
Because people in MA cannot call themselves Trump supporters without being vilified by the “woke” crowd. That’s not right. What I despise most about Leftists is the freedoms they take away. Same as I despise about the Alt Right. If I tell someone on the Alt Right that we are all equal they will vilify me. If I tell someone on the very Left that I like many of Trumps policies they will vilify me. That’s not right. Not remotely. I was wrong about my comments related to Jews. That’s on me. I am wrong to support Trump for selfish reasons. Nevertheless until we get our freedoms back, I will.
6/16/2020 7:55 PM
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