Posted by bripat42 on 5/30/2021 1:03:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bigbucks07 on 5/30/2021 7:21:00 AM (view original):
I think its great that changes are being looked at for the game. I just don't feel like changes should be made to say "look....we made a change". Part of the fun to set up a team in HBD is setting up a team to fit your stadium...pulling the ratings towards the middle will end up with many teams looking similar. Like in GD when every single team ran the same type of offense. I'm sure you have run simulations on what impact this will have on the game....what does that look like. Since the argument is that real life factors have changed, is the goal to get this to be more like current baseball.....lower BA and higher home run rate(although that has changed this season since MLB changed the baseball). The league batting numbers are typically pretty consistent from year to year in HBD. What do these changes do to those numbers? Personally I would be all for knocking a little of the offense out of the game....but I have a feeling these change will have the opposite effect. What have the simulations shown?
This is the kind of argument in this thread that is missing a big-picture viewpoint.
- Changes aren't being made for the sake of change. They're being made because people have been complaining on these message boards for years -- yes, literally, years -- that there need to be updates. So, looking at customer complaints in the aggregate, which is what adlorenz appears to be doing, he is responding to the complaint that the game is stagnating due to a lack of updates. Now, he's getting pushback from people saying, "Wait, I didn't realize demanding changes meant the game would, you know, ...change!"
- I don't see anyone arguing that the current goal is to make HBD more like current baseball. I previously made the point that ballpark factors always have been based on real-life numbers, though the lack of changes meant that those real-life numbers were more than 15 years old. So, naturally, any update that uses the same method for determining ballpark factors will bring ballparks in line with more recent numbers. So, any argument that "pulling ratings toward the middle" was the goal is based on flawed logic. The shift toward the middle is incidental and due to the data being used.
As I've stated in previous posts, it's fair to argue that there needs to be more variety in types of ballparks. In general, I agree with that argument. However, basing the argument on false assumptions or flawed logic about why current changes are being made weakens such arguments.
1. I guess making all the ballpark more similar doesn't seem like progress to me. I think from a programing stand point it is probably a relatively easy change for them to make and get credit for a change....thus the point of my making changes for the sake of making changes. I don't think I have seen too many people say....please change the stadium factors that I have specifically drafted and acquired talent for and change the parameters for that stadium. I guess I have missed those posts. Again that is why I think this a change to say it is a change.
2. The whole reason for this change is to more closely resemble actual real life results. I don't understand how that isn't trying to make things resemble real life. Using real life data to make changes would seem to be the exact definition of making the game more like real life. Again....I would seem like they could run some simulations to see what impact this change would have on stats. So wanting to know what the impact is seems like a great argument other than.....I'm so happy with this change I'll just blindly agree with it.
Flawed logic would seem to be "Oh....you made a change.....thank you sir.....may I have another."