How soon before Oregon joins the B10?

Posted by cubcub113 on 6/30/2022 9:25:00 PM (view original):
I knew this was inevitable from the moment Texas and Oklahoma left for the SEC, but **** man. This sucks. I’m a Big Ten guy through and through but it won’t be the same. **** superconferences, it’s all for the money and it’s bad for the sport.

Completely agree. As a KU grad and resident of Lawrence, Kansas, it’s a dark time for college sports. For us, it started when Missouri and Nebraska left their old Big 8 rivals.

Posted by balance71 on 7/2/2022 5:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 6/30/2022 9:25:00 PM (view original):
I knew this was inevitable from the moment Texas and Oklahoma left for the SEC, but **** man. This sucks. I’m a Big Ten guy through and through but it won’t be the same. **** superconferences, it’s all for the money and it’s bad for the sport.

Completely agree. As a KU grad and resident of Lawrence, Kansas, it’s a dark time for college sports. For us, it started when Missouri and Nebraska left their old Big 8 rivals.

And Colorado. Never could understand what Missouri brings to the SEC.

Posted by bjschumacher on 7/2/2022 5:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by balance71 on 7/2/2022 5:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 6/30/2022 9:25:00 PM (view original):
I knew this was inevitable from the moment Texas and Oklahoma left for the SEC, but **** man. This sucks. I’m a Big Ten guy through and through but it won’t be the same. **** superconferences, it’s all for the money and it’s bad for the sport.

Completely agree. As a KU grad and resident of Lawrence, Kansas, it’s a dark time for college sports. For us, it started when Missouri and Nebraska left their old Big 8 rivals.

And Colorado. Never could understand what Missouri brings to the SEC.

Kansas City and to a lesser extent St. Louis as TV/merchandising markets. And SEC fans TRAVEL. In the old days Nebraska fans would show up everywhere in the Big 8/12. Every single SEC school fans show up at away stadiums. Missouri fans are becoming that more and more and perhaps that’s organic from being in that SEC travel culture.

Posted by shoe3 on 7/2/2022 4:10:00 PM (view original):
Collegiate athletics has been sick for a very long time. One major symptom is the skyrocketing tuition kids pay, and the fact that some of the highest paid state employees are football coaches. These are pretty serious, unsustainable problems. Realignment doesn’t fix any of that of course, but it fits within the context of it all. From that perspective, for the last 20 years, I’ve pretty much stopped watching concussion-ball altogether; and for basketball I’m resigned to the idea that it’s all temporary and everything is fluid. I grew up cheering for 3 teams, South Dakota St, the local team (and my school); University of Minnesota, the local D1 team, and my other school; and Kansas, the local powerhouse (and what Midwestern kid in the 80s didn’t love Danny Manning?). The goofs are probably stable, as a founding member of the Big 10, but honestly who knows anymore? Everything is fluid. At the end of the day, these are academic institutions for public good. I’ll support my teams, but only to the extent that they serve their function in the community.

This problem isn’t going away until the NCAA is completely overhauled with new mission and guidelines and strong oversight. Basically just a profit generator for universities and their endowment-fund-loving trustees right now.

hey shoe...

American colleges and universities have not been academic institutions for public good for quite some time. They function like organized rackets that masquerade as diploma mills, taking advantage of fearful parents and kids who want to keep up with the Joneses. Staggering tuition increases outpace inflation while university salaries continue to climb...and, it's not just the athletic coach salaries that go up. I'm not referring to professors and instructors but the managers - administrators, lawyers, accountants and others that leech off of the campus.

I graduated with a Bachelor degree for a total of $4,500 in debt in the early 90s that included living on campus for all four years. (graduate school was a different story.) That same degree at the same institution today...one semester of just tuition would cost more.

There is no excuse for this level of punishing cost increase, other than a criminal enterprise that preys on the communities they supposedly serve. Students and their parents who co-sign loans are the profit generators for the professionals managers who have destroyed the American higher educational system..

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/2/2022 6:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 7/2/2022 4:10:00 PM (view original):
Collegiate athletics has been sick for a very long time. One major symptom is the skyrocketing tuition kids pay, and the fact that some of the highest paid state employees are football coaches. These are pretty serious, unsustainable problems. Realignment doesn’t fix any of that of course, but it fits within the context of it all. From that perspective, for the last 20 years, I’ve pretty much stopped watching concussion-ball altogether; and for basketball I’m resigned to the idea that it’s all temporary and everything is fluid. I grew up cheering for 3 teams, South Dakota St, the local team (and my school); University of Minnesota, the local D1 team, and my other school; and Kansas, the local powerhouse (and what Midwestern kid in the 80s didn’t love Danny Manning?). The goofs are probably stable, as a founding member of the Big 10, but honestly who knows anymore? Everything is fluid. At the end of the day, these are academic institutions for public good. I’ll support my teams, but only to the extent that they serve their function in the community.

This problem isn’t going away until the NCAA is completely overhauled with new mission and guidelines and strong oversight. Basically just a profit generator for universities and their endowment-fund-loving trustees right now.

hey shoe...

American colleges and universities have not been academic institutions for public good for quite some time. They function like organized rackets that masquerade as diploma mills, taking advantage of fearful parents and kids who want to keep up with the Joneses. Staggering tuition increases outpace inflation while university salaries continue to climb...and, it's not just the athletic coach salaries that go up. I'm not referring to professors and instructors but the managers - administrators, lawyers, accountants and others that leech off of the campus.

I graduated with a Bachelor degree for a total of $4,500 in debt in the early 90s that included living on campus for all four years. (graduate school was a different story.) That same degree at the same institution today...one semester of just tuition would cost more.

There is no excuse for this level of punishing cost increase, other than a criminal enterprise that preys on the communities they supposedly serve. Students and their parents who co-sign loans are the profit generators for the professionals managers who have destroyed the American higher educational system..

Oh I don’t disagree there are multiple streams of income. :) I absolutely agree with your premise, I think, in that over the course of the last 4 decades or so, colleges and universities have become increasingly predatory. In that context, I think, is where we understand this issue best. Neither the NCAA as a ruling body, nor the specific universities operating within are thinking about these moves in terms of what is best for the athletes, or the students, or even the fans of their teams. They’re thinking in terms of what will generate the most revenue. “How can we extract more money from the consumer?”

It’s not just the coaches of course, on the athletic side of the ledger. Stadiums/facilities are an enormous expense (which students/parents/taxpayers pay for, multiple times over in most cases, through tuition and taxes, then in user fees). There is some graft all over, to be sure. Can’t look past the athletic departments, though, as exhibit 1A.

For me, the regionality, tradition, and rivalries are what have made college sports great. But these things change, and they always have. The Big 12 was once the Big 8, which was once the Big 6. Same with other conferences. My hope is that this will eventually reach an equilibrium and we can start forming new rivalries and traditions, even if the regionality is largely gone.

I think the regionality will eventually return. I don't think flying back and forth between LA and New York for conference games is sustainable. But I could be very wrong.

States (like Ohio for example) used to fund their higher institutions at a reasonable level. For 30+ years they haven’t, and in an attempt to remain useful and relevant universities have had to increase tuition.

Boomers were educated with taxpayer help but they aren’t funding others. Pretty consistent with the rest of the generation’s behavior.

Posted by bjschumacher on 7/2/2022 5:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by balance71 on 7/2/2022 5:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 6/30/2022 9:25:00 PM (view original):
I knew this was inevitable from the moment Texas and Oklahoma left for the SEC, but **** man. This sucks. I’m a Big Ten guy through and through but it won’t be the same. **** superconferences, it’s all for the money and it’s bad for the sport.

Completely agree. As a KU grad and resident of Lawrence, Kansas, it’s a dark time for college sports. For us, it started when Missouri and Nebraska left their old Big 8 rivals.

And Colorado. Never could understand what Missouri brings to the SEC.

obviously Missouri brings a third team with a Tiger mascot to the SEC.
now if they could just find a few more Wildcats...

Posted by hypnotoad on 7/2/2022 10:08:00 PM (view original):
States (like Ohio for example) used to fund their higher institutions at a reasonable level. For 30+ years they haven’t, and in an attempt to remain useful and relevant universities have had to increase tuition.

Boomers were educated with taxpayer help but they aren’t funding others. Pretty consistent with the rest of the generation’s behavior.

as a younger person, but not that young... i sort of agree with this sentiment. i mean, there is some clear truth there about selling out the future for the now, and about how that is a real problem. but where this sort of claim is lacking is when it comes to awareness about the current crop of younger folks.

end of the day, when folks settle down and have kids, it becomes about their family. the majority of families aren't flying half way across the world every other week for vacations (but man, does the younger generation sure idiolize the folks who do!). they are worrying about feeding their kids, living in a decent neighborhood with decent schools, perhaps paying for college... as much as things have changed the last 100 years, that part of the story roughly stays the same. its all well and good to think about the world we are building for our great-grand kids, but when your actual kids are running around in front of your eyes, that tends to take focus.

its pretty easy to be all 'save the earth' when you are young, make no decisions, have no kids... and the younger folks seem pretty thrilled with their bitcoin gains despite the terrible environmental impact, and with their social media favorites despite the terrible social impact. when the rubber hits the road, when the young folks start hitting the age where they have kids and actually make decisions, instead of just complaining about what everyone else is doing - i guess i just don't see a whole heck of a lot of difference.

the worst is the intolerance. the best part of the younger generation is their openness towards folks of varying sexual orientations, races, cultures, etc. - but i don't understand the extreme intolerance towards folks who are perhaps slightly less enlightened than them, or simply, think differently. twitter is arguably the biggest cesspool on the planet, and i find the heros of the young to be... very uninspiring, to put it mildly. i am not overly down on the current crop of 20-somethings, though. i think they are basically just as ****** and selfish as people have always been, perhaps with an undeserved hero complex, but i suspect that isn't that new of a phenomenon, either.

Posted by gillispie on 7/3/2022 12:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hypnotoad on 7/2/2022 10:08:00 PM (view original):
States (like Ohio for example) used to fund their higher institutions at a reasonable level. For 30+ years they haven’t, and in an attempt to remain useful and relevant universities have had to increase tuition.

Boomers were educated with taxpayer help but they aren’t funding others. Pretty consistent with the rest of the generation’s behavior.

as a younger person, but not that young... i sort of agree with this sentiment. i mean, there is some clear truth there about selling out the future for the now, and about how that is a real problem. but where this sort of claim is lacking is when it comes to awareness about the current crop of younger folks.

end of the day, when folks settle down and have kids, it becomes about their family. the majority of families aren't flying half way across the world every other week for vacations (but man, does the younger generation sure idiolize the folks who do!). they are worrying about feeding their kids, living in a decent neighborhood with decent schools, perhaps paying for college... as much as things have changed the last 100 years, that part of the story roughly stays the same. its all well and good to think about the world we are building for our great-grand kids, but when your actual kids are running around in front of your eyes, that tends to take focus.

its pretty easy to be all 'save the earth' when you are young, make no decisions, have no kids... and the younger folks seem pretty thrilled with their bitcoin gains despite the terrible environmental impact, and with their social media favorites despite the terrible social impact. when the rubber hits the road, when the young folks start hitting the age where they have kids and actually make decisions, instead of just complaining about what everyone else is doing - i guess i just don't see a whole heck of a lot of difference.

the worst is the intolerance. the best part of the younger generation is their openness towards folks of varying sexual orientations, races, cultures, etc. - but i don't understand the extreme intolerance towards folks who are perhaps slightly less enlightened than them, or simply, think differently. twitter is arguably the biggest cesspool on the planet, and i find the heros of the young to be... very uninspiring, to put it mildly. i am not overly down on the current crop of 20-somethings, though. i think they are basically just as ****** and selfish as people have always been, perhaps with an undeserved hero complex, but i suspect that isn't that new of a phenomenon, either.

Well said.

Rutgers is in the Big Ten because of TV sets. The BTN gets a buck or so per subscriber, from cable companies if the subscriber is in a Big Ten state. Much less from subscribers in nonBig Ten states. There are a lot of TV sets in New Jersey.

I didn't realize that Fox is now up to 61% ownership in the Big Ten Network.

I think the BIG and the SEC each go to 24 - lots of good numbers for scheduling etc with 24. And one can have diivisions for SOME sports - dont try to play volleyball with 24 teams each travelling to the whole league

24 x 2 gets most of the good brands but leaves some. I think that is most likely to settle down as one or two "table scraps" conferences- worthwhile colleges, okay brands that didnt make it. Two lesser conferences would workI tink

missing the old ACC