Martha's Vineyard Vacation!! Oh Boy!! Topic

I still have the God given ability to hit some nerves.
When it happens it is a tell.
9/15/2022 2:03 PM

Read, Dumbass...

The other day, President Joe Biden accused voters of the opposition party of turning to "semi-fascism." This is probably the first time in American history a president has openly attacked the opposing party's constituents in this way.

Then again, Biden, who once alleged that the chaste Mitt Romney was harboring a desire to bring back chattel slavery, is prone to stupid hyperbole. And it's true that most people who throw around the word "fascist" fail to do so with much precision. These days, the word "democracy," like "fascism," has lost all meaning. According to Democrats, asking someone to show ID before voting is an attack on "democracy," but so is the Supreme Court's handing back power to voters on the abortion issue. When you have no limiting principles of governance, anything that inhibits your exertion of power is seen as anti-"democracy." If students have loans to be paid, "forgive" them. If you can't pass a bill, the executive branch should do it by fiat. If the court stops it, pack it. Power is only to be limited when the opposition holds it.

A microcosm of this confused thinking can be found in the recent spate of hysterical media pieces about alleged Republican "book banning." The use of "ban" by the media is more than a category error; it's an effort to paint parents who use the very same exact democratic powers the left has relied on for decades as book burners. Public school curricula and book selection are political questions decided by school and library boards. Neither have a duty to carry every single volume on racial identitarianism or sexually explicit material simply demanded by some busybody at the American Library Association.

Henry Olsen of the Ethics and Public Policy Center notes that fascists "believed that multiparty democracy weakened the nation, and that competitive capitalism was wasteful and exploitative. Their alternative was a one-party state that guided the economy through regulation and sector-based accords between labor and business."

Well, is it not the left that champions government intervention in the economy, with never-ending regulations, subsidies and mandates that effectively allow for controlling the means of production? Leftists -- some incrementally, some less so -- are the proponents of nationalizing the health care system, the energy sector and education. Again, if progressives have any limiting principles when it comes to intervention in our economic lives, I'd love to hear about them.

Are the most vociferous defenders of "democracy" not the ones who sound suspiciously like they want a one-party state? Modern Democrats have stopped debating policy or accepting the legitimacy of anyone who stands in their way. They will pass massive, generational reforms using parliamentary tricks, without any input from the minority. And they don't merely champion their work as beneficial; they claim these bills are needed for the survival of "democracy" and "civilization" -- nay, the survival of the planet. Anyone who opposes saving Mother Earth is surely an authoritarian. There is nothing to debate. The villainization of political opponents isn't new, but we are breaking new ground.

Some may find it a bit fascist-y that the FBI feels free to instruct giant rent-seeking corporations to censor news to help elect their preferred candidate, as it did with Facebook. Or that the White House is in the business of "flagging" "problematic posts" and threatening corporations to "root out" "misleading" speech or be held accountable. One wouldn't be off base seeing a "Disinformation Governance Board" that sifts through speech the administration dislikes or a Justice Department that treats those protesting authoritarian school boards as "domestic terrorists" as "semi-fascist."

It is curious, as well, that the same people who control basically all major institutions in American life -- academia, media, unions, Silicon Valley, Wall Street, trade associations, public schools, publishing, the entire D.C. bureaucracy, Hollywood, Madison Avenue, not to mention the presidency and Congress -- claim to be victims of budding authoritarianism. The only major institution free of progressives' grip right now is the Supreme Court. And the left is engaged in a systematic effort to delegitimize the Court for doing its job and limiting the state's power.

None of this is to say that the right is innocent. I often find myself debating the populist right on issues ranging from the free markets and the role of the state. Abuses of the Constitution should be called out no matter who engages in them. However, progressivism's crusade to destroy separation of powers, its attacks on religious freedom and free speech, its undermining of civil society, its binding of the economy to the state and its fostering of perpetual dependency and victimhood are far bigger long-term threats to the republic than Trumpism -- and far closer to the definition of "semi-fascism" than the Republican agenda

9/15/2022 2:06 PM
Read Dumbass says...

"The other day, President Joe Biden accused voters of the opposition party of turning to "semi-fascism." This is probably the first time in American history a president has openly attacked the opposing party's constituents in this way.

After the last six years of mango mussolini doing NOTHING BUT attacking the opposing party's constituents in the most vile, disgusting and sickening ways possible I'm not going any farther than this COMPLETE BULLSHIT right here.

Shove your hypocritical garbage into your empty head because then it'll at least be filled with something.
9/15/2022 2:17 PM
I remind you Doc. I LIVE in AZ. Not very far from that border you are actually talking about. I'm here to tell you clearly and openly, your statement I have quoted below; It's utter nonsense. COMPLETE and utter misinformation because NONE of it is true. Our Arizona towns are NOT being "trampled", nor are there Fentanyl deaths "everywhere". That's BS. Fentanyl deaths only occur in those that take street drugs. Too many deaths yes, but everywhere, not hardly!! I have no sympathy for "federal workers". Those positions are usually nice long-term opportunities but they ARE subject to the rules of the Gov't. Kinda comes with the territory. In addition the full choice was ON the EMPLOYEE!! This is, after all, still a free Country.

"Instead he allows more than one million undocumented migrants to trample southern border towns at great expense to the American taxpayers. Fentanyl deaths are everywhere, due to the staggering amounts being smuggled in. They are not required to get vaccinated, meanwhile firing or penalizing law abiding citizens and federal workers for not wearing a mask or getting booster shots."
9/15/2022 2:19 PM
Posted by DoctorKz on 9/15/2022 1:57:00 PM (view original):
I'm no violent threat. That is bullshit.
just because YOU are no violent threat, that does not mean no one else is
9/15/2022 2:23 PM
Posted by DoctorKz on 9/15/2022 1:56:00 PM (view original):
What most aren't seeing is the awful effect it is having on the border towns. It isn't like JFK, LAX or Seattle are seeing one flight after another, not them seeing a daily flood of people. It's Texas, Arizona and New Mexico towns that don't have the resources to deal with them. Over a million have crossed since Biden took office. Those people have had their daily lives turned upside down with the droves of people entering daily. They want people in so called sanctuary cities to know how this feels, the effect it has. They want it stopped. They didn't sign up for this. It's forced on them by Biden. They want The Beltway to come and see it firsthand, but are largely being ignored...
This is total BULLSHIT Doc!

I won't pretend to speak for them folks from Texas. (Most of them are goofballs, airheads, and general miscreants, anyways!!)
BUT,

Things are just swell with us in our little towns and communities in AZ and NM. I's all over AZ on a regular basis, and go to Santa Fe nearly monthly, and we's all fine and dandy. We got NO droves of folks, anywhere's I can find 'em.

There are a few street urchins and general homeless round the big cities. Phoenix has folks hanging out down by the Salt for example, but them ain't immigrants, and most ain't meskins. Our lives are generally driven by the day to day needs, you know eating, drinking, fornicating our lives away as much as possible and generally just enjoying our existence. I don't know a single actual citizen whose life has been "turned upside down with the droves of people entering..."

Believe me, an actual AZ resident (over 25 years now) or believe that garbage you see on the TV News. That's ALSO your free choice.
Informed, or fooled and misled?
9/15/2022 2:29 PM
Posted by DoctorKz on 9/15/2022 1:34:00 PM (view original):
How do you know that he lied? Are you the bus driver?

What about the coyotes bringing women and children in, raping, getting rich off of these people? That's ok to continue? Very selective you are...
You do realize that if we made legal immigration easier, they wouldn't have to go through the illegal, dangerous methods?
9/15/2022 2:42 PM
Posted by DoctorKz on 9/15/2022 1:56:00 PM (view original):
What most aren't seeing is the awful effect it is having on the border towns. It isn't like JFK, LAX or Seattle are seeing one flight after another, not them seeing a daily flood of people. It's Texas, Arizona and New Mexico towns that don't have the resources to deal with them. Over a million have crossed since Biden took office. Those people have had their daily lives turned upside down with the droves of people entering daily. They want people in so called sanctuary cities to know how this feels, the effect it has. They want it stopped. They didn't sign up for this. It's forced on them by Biden. They want The Beltway to come and see it firsthand, but are largely being ignored...
Good for those cities! In the long run they will be better off for the influx of immigration :)
9/15/2022 2:43 PM
Posted by DoctorKz on 9/15/2022 1:59:00 PM (view original):
Show me a current situation where armed conservatives are threatening violence. Do it...
If Trump gets indicted there's been numerous conservative political figures who have threatened civil war
9/15/2022 2:43 PM
Posted by tangplay on 9/15/2022 2:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by DoctorKz on 9/15/2022 1:34:00 PM (view original):
How do you know that he lied? Are you the bus driver?

What about the coyotes bringing women and children in, raping, getting rich off of these people? That's ok to continue? Very selective you are...
You do realize that if we made legal immigration easier, they wouldn't have to go through the illegal, dangerous methods?
"We should close down the border and prevent immigration"

"Why are people trying to dangerously immigrate through illegal methods? Must be Biden's fault"

literal brainworms
9/15/2022 2:45 PM
Posted by tangplay on 9/15/2022 2:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by DoctorKz on 9/15/2022 1:34:00 PM (view original):
How do you know that he lied? Are you the bus driver?

What about the coyotes bringing women and children in, raping, getting rich off of these people? That's ok to continue? Very selective you are...
You do realize that if we made legal immigration easier, they wouldn't have to go through the illegal, dangerous methods?
The current law isn't being enforced. That's my beef. It is largely at the expense of people who didn't ask for it.

If immigration law changes. I will accept it.

I feel for those who have been waiting months, perhaps longer than a year to enter legally. How is this remotely fair to them?

All at the expense of mass asylum. A policy not welcome by the majority of Americans...
9/15/2022 2:48 PM
Posted by DoctorKz on 9/15/2022 2:07:00 PM (view original):

Read, Dumbass...

The other day, President Joe Biden accused voters of the opposition party of turning to "semi-fascism." This is probably the first time in American history a president has openly attacked the opposing party's constituents in this way.

Then again, Biden, who once alleged that the chaste Mitt Romney was harboring a desire to bring back chattel slavery, is prone to stupid hyperbole. And it's true that most people who throw around the word "fascist" fail to do so with much precision. These days, the word "democracy," like "fascism," has lost all meaning. According to Democrats, asking someone to show ID before voting is an attack on "democracy," but so is the Supreme Court's handing back power to voters on the abortion issue. When you have no limiting principles of governance, anything that inhibits your exertion of power is seen as anti-"democracy." If students have loans to be paid, "forgive" them. If you can't pass a bill, the executive branch should do it by fiat. If the court stops it, pack it. Power is only to be limited when the opposition holds it.

A microcosm of this confused thinking can be found in the recent spate of hysterical media pieces about alleged Republican "book banning." The use of "ban" by the media is more than a category error; it's an effort to paint parents who use the very same exact democratic powers the left has relied on for decades as book burners. Public school curricula and book selection are political questions decided by school and library boards. Neither have a duty to carry every single volume on racial identitarianism or sexually explicit material simply demanded by some busybody at the American Library Association.

Henry Olsen of the Ethics and Public Policy Center notes that fascists "believed that multiparty democracy weakened the nation, and that competitive capitalism was wasteful and exploitative. Their alternative was a one-party state that guided the economy through regulation and sector-based accords between labor and business."

Well, is it not the left that champions government intervention in the economy, with never-ending regulations, subsidies and mandates that effectively allow for controlling the means of production? Leftists -- some incrementally, some less so -- are the proponents of nationalizing the health care system, the energy sector and education. Again, if progressives have any limiting principles when it comes to intervention in our economic lives, I'd love to hear about them.

Are the most vociferous defenders of "democracy" not the ones who sound suspiciously like they want a one-party state? Modern Democrats have stopped debating policy or accepting the legitimacy of anyone who stands in their way. They will pass massive, generational reforms using parliamentary tricks, without any input from the minority. And they don't merely champion their work as beneficial; they claim these bills are needed for the survival of "democracy" and "civilization" -- nay, the survival of the planet. Anyone who opposes saving Mother Earth is surely an authoritarian. There is nothing to debate. The villainization of political opponents isn't new, but we are breaking new ground.

Some may find it a bit fascist-y that the FBI feels free to instruct giant rent-seeking corporations to censor news to help elect their preferred candidate, as it did with Facebook. Or that the White House is in the business of "flagging" "problematic posts" and threatening corporations to "root out" "misleading" speech or be held accountable. One wouldn't be off base seeing a "Disinformation Governance Board" that sifts through speech the administration dislikes or a Justice Department that treats those protesting authoritarian school boards as "domestic terrorists" as "semi-fascist."

It is curious, as well, that the same people who control basically all major institutions in American life -- academia, media, unions, Silicon Valley, Wall Street, trade associations, public schools, publishing, the entire D.C. bureaucracy, Hollywood, Madison Avenue, not to mention the presidency and Congress -- claim to be victims of budding authoritarianism. The only major institution free of progressives' grip right now is the Supreme Court. And the left is engaged in a systematic effort to delegitimize the Court for doing its job and limiting the state's power.

None of this is to say that the right is innocent. I often find myself debating the populist right on issues ranging from the free markets and the role of the state. Abuses of the Constitution should be called out no matter who engages in them. However, progressivism's crusade to destroy separation of powers, its attacks on religious freedom and free speech, its undermining of civil society, its binding of the economy to the state and its fostering of perpetual dependency and victimhood are far bigger long-term threats to the republic than Trumpism -- and far closer to the definition of "semi-fascism" than the Republican agenda

When the shoe fits.
Hard core Maga in congress and state legislatures absolutely.
They support taking the democracy by force or corrupt legislation to ensure a one party government wherever.

The shoe fits yeah yeah yeah.
maga - the maggots - want - an autocratic extreme right government and that is fascist.

The shoe fits and I would like to stick that shoe up the traitor’s ***.
9/15/2022 2:48 PM
Big swing and a miss. You comprehended none of it. And you pride yourself on being intelligent...go back to your music thread...
9/15/2022 2:58 PM
Posted by tangplay on 9/15/2022 2:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by DoctorKz on 9/15/2022 1:59:00 PM (view original):
Show me a current situation where armed conservatives are threatening violence. Do it...
If Trump gets indicted there's been numerous conservative political figures who have threatened civil war
This is truth and Trump in his sly dire warnings is endorsing it and same for Lindsey Sham and state level people and people in government that are and this will never be normal -q’anon people.

Question - which political party courts nazis and KKK and other white supremacy groups and q’anon and is replete with cowardly politicians galore.

Answer - The sick morons that fantasize about Trump and being able to kiss his rather rotund posterior.
They live to own the libs and will become stupider and more dangerous to do it because they can’t do it with intelligence or policy.

When they join the Trump haters they will begin to become Americans again if they ever were.
9/15/2022 2:59 PM
Posted by DoctorKz on 9/15/2022 2:58:00 PM (view original):
Big swing and a miss. You comprehended none of it. And you pride yourself on being intelligent...go back to your music thread...
I am intelligent.
and I am also smart.
9/15/2022 3:00 PM
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