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porkpower
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Please poach from UL, Cincy, IU, Tenn, and Vandy in Allen lol
10/22/2009 3:14 PM
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Fregoe is dead on here.

Doesn't matter if the recruit considers you from day one and its a cycle from signings, there's no such thing as poaching. If the recruit has not signed with you, he is not yours. So he cannot be poached.

Now, i would never jump in late on a recruit. but thats my choice. i also wouldnt get angry if someone jumped in late on one of my guys, thats their choice. i save a reserve of cash for them.

the folks that complain about poaching are the greedy-*** coaches that "lock up" (in their own opinion) their recruits, then start spending elsewhere. Its your damn fault for not saving cash.

the biggest jokes are the coaches that spend $4k on a recruit, then get all ****** off when a coach figures it out and jumps in on them. what jokers.....
10/23/2009 1:59 AM
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I guess if you wanna go with the dictionary definition of poaching, I see where you're coming from. But poaching in HD has simply come to mean coming in very late on a recruit that's been considering someone else ... I'm using it as such, and I think that's generally how it's used on the site.

And again, I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. As polo says, if you have solid cash in reserve, you'll generally be insulated against it anyway.
10/23/2009 7:29 AM
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4 comments / ?'s (and I am using the daalter or HD definition of poaching, i.e. coming in late):

1 - if it weren't for the threat of poaching, A schools would not keep a reserve & B / C schools would find it difficult to get many top notch recruits - so in a sense, poaching is a good thing for the game or at least has a place in the game?

2 - if u keep a reserve and a scholy and don't use it, once siginings occur, you either let it fritter away, or you become a poacher, if you pick your targets wisely, this player often becomes your best recruit - but the coach(es) that were on the recruit, often view you as a poacher or unethical - sort of interesting?

3 - if u keep a reserve, get poached, yet win, do you tend to retaliate? same scenerio, but you lost, do you tend to retaliate?

4 - although very frustrating and full of inequities and issues, I am not so sure any method would be superior to the disatnce / prestige auction we now have in order to distribute the recruits around to the coaches who play this game, and coming in late is a component of the current system - but I do not think many of the top coaches use coming in late as their primary tactic

10/23/2009 8:49 AM
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an example (hypothetical, but part of it just happenned to me as the 1st coach), a coach is A-, has 2 open scholies, goes early after a #1 and #4, locks them both up as considering just him. the next day another local A school with 6 scholies jumps on the #1 - the following day a non local A school, jumps on the #4 school. Has anyone done anything unethical? Should any of the 3 coaches feel bad?

From my point of view, my hat is off to all 3, the first guy took his shot, and will still have a strong 10 man team, plus he will have lots of open scholies next season. The second coach correctly figured out he can get 1 #1 recruit, for at most 25-30k, a real bargain, and the 3rd coach, had to think there was a pretty good chance, that the #4 ranked recruit might only have 8-10k on him, since the FSS showed a 'struggle on the #1', the 3rd coach probably deserves credit, although he really did a classic 'poach'.
10/23/2009 9:19 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 10/23/2009
an example (hypothetical, but part of it just happenned to me as the 1st coach), a coach is A-, has 2 open scholies, goes early after a #1 and #4, locks them both up as considering just him. the next day another local A school with 6 scholies jumps on the #1 - the following day a non local A school, jumps on the #4 school. Has anyone done anything unethical? Should any of the 3 coaches feel bad?

From my point of view, my hat is off to all 3, the first guy took his shot, and will still have a strong 10 man team, plus he will have lots of open scholies next season. The second coach correctly figured out he can get 1 #1 recruit, for at most 25-30k, a real bargain, and the 3rd coach, had to think there was a pretty good chance, that the #4 ranked recruit might only have 8-10k on him, since the FSS showed a 'struggle on the #1', the 3rd coach probably deserves credit, although he really did a classic 'poach'.

This is would be my primary definition of poaching. It's taking advantage of a perceived vulnerability. Attacking unsuspecting prey (coming in late) would be my secondary definition. Both methods make recruiting more interesting.

OR's retaliation question is interesting. I think the answer is yes. I wouldn't go out of my way to retaliate, but if I have a lot of scholarships during the next recruiting season or two, I would take a look at the recruits of those other two coaches. I already know they are good coaches and go after good players. I would look to see if there is an opportunity to get a good player back.

But beyond getting a good player, I think it would be important to show the other coach the longer term risks of picking off your recruits. All of this is part of the game. Of course, you would need to be proximate in your retaliation. You want to get the other coach to hesitate before looking your way in the future, but you don't want him to just start going after you.
10/23/2009 9:42 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by oldresorter on 10/23/2009an example (hypothetical, but part of it just happenned to me as the 1st coach), a coach is A-, has 2 open scholies, goes early after a #1 and #4, locks them both up as considering just him.  the next day another local A school with 6 scholies jumps on the #1 - the following day a non local A school, jumps on the #4 school.  Has anyone done anything unethical?  Should any of the 3 coaches feel bad?  From my point of view, my hat is off to all 3, the first guy took his shot, and will still have a strong 10 man team, plus he will have lots of open scholies next season.  The second coach correctly figured out he can get 1 #1 recruit, for at most 25-30k, a real bargain, and the 3rd coach, had to think there was a pretty good chance, that the #4 ranked recruit might only have 8-10k on him, since the FSS showed a 'struggle on the #1', the 3rd coach probably deserves credit, although he really did a classic 'poach'.

Hats off to #2 and #3 (they went after recruits they knew they could get). Coach #1 was greedy. He had (about) $40k. He's thinking he can get two super-stud recruits? Two guys that could go for $40k+ each?

Its risk/reward. He took a shot but can in no way be disappointed that things didn't go his way. The problem is that it happens way too often that Coach #1 does get both recruits. So coaches start to expect that things will go their way. Thats when the complaints about poaching arise.
10/23/2009 2:57 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 10/23/2009
Quote: Originally posted by oldresorter on 10/23/2009
an example (hypothetical, but part of it just happenned to me as the 1st coach), a coach is A-, has 2 open scholies, goes early after a #1 and #4, locks them both up as considering just him. the next day another local A school with 6 scholies jumps on the #1 - the following day a non local A school, jumps on the #4 school. Has anyone done anything unethical? Should any of the 3 coaches feel bad?

From my point of view, my hat is off to all 3, the first guy took his shot, and will still have a strong 10 man team, plus he will have lots of open scholies next season. The second coach correctly figured out he can get 1 #1 recruit, for at most 25-30k, a real bargain, and the 3rd coach, had to think there was a pretty good chance, that the #4 ranked recruit might only have 8-10k on him, since the FSS showed a 'struggle on the #1', the 3rd coach probably deserves credit, although he really did a classic 'poach'.

Hats off to #2 and #3 (they went after recruits they knew they could get). Coach #1 was greedy. He had (about) $40k. He's thinking he can get two super-stud recruits? Two guys that could go for $40k+ each?

Its risk/reward. He took a shot but can in no way be disappointed that things didn't go his way. The problem is that it happens way too often that Coach #1 does get both recruits. So coaches start to expect that things will go their way. Thats when the complaints about poaching arise.


Couldn't have said it better Mr.P.
10/23/2009 3:54 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tribewriter on 10/22/2009
Don't worry Kelby, I won't go after your brother's recruits.

Actually, with a C prestige, I'm not going after ANYONE'S recruits. It's going to be a long rebuilding process here at Minnesota.

After considering dacj's post, I would tend to agree that there is a difference between "not very nice" and "unethical." My experience may be anecdotal, but I sure seemed to be on the wrong end of "not very nice" a lot at Liberty.

Uncle.

let's not make any rash decisions here. Poach that mofo!
10/23/2009 11:00 PM
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I think if you get poached and still win it wouldn't necessarily be in your favor to retaliate because (1) you want to get the best players and want the odds to be in your favor of getting those players and (2) If the guy has a better prestige and is closer to the recruits you want then you're probably not going to win the next battle. But if you feel some sort of tactical advantage (spends his money too early or spreads himself out too thin) then I guess you could find situations where it would be advantageous to battle. But generally I don't think you should LOOK to battle the guy who tried to poach you just because it won't necessarily help you out in any way.
10/24/2009 6:32 PM
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I agree that there is no such thing as poaching in a legal/ethical sense in this game.

But I'd also agree that deliberately doing this to somebody would disrupt the legitimate playing of the game.

That said, some people are such truly awful, useless human beings, I think exceptions could be made. So to get back to the original poster's question, I'll say that it's a damn shame diablo11 doesn't have a team in that world.


10/25/2009 5:13 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By elava on 10/25/2009
I agree that there is no such thing as poaching in a legal/ethical sense in this game.

But I'd also agree that deliberately doing this to somebody would disrupt the legitimate playing of the game.


+1
10/25/2009 6:54 PM
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10/25/2009 8:17 PM
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Quote: almost totally agree.

if Coach A "poaches" Coach B's recuit to benefit Coach C, then that is totally wrong. But if Coach A "poaches" Coach B to benefit himself, then i see no wrong-doing.

100% agreed. That would be collusive behavior.

10/25/2009 9:00 PM
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