1. There is also the fact that pitchers are hitters in these seasons; I don't know how the sim handles that, whether they can be designated, or can in any case appear, as PH or position players.

2. Are you saying that there are two distinct codings for these players, one of which works only as a pitcher and one of which works only as a position player? Are you sure about that? Or is it that the database just lists the same identical coded player in both places?

Thank you for clarifying.

Yes, for all practical purposes, they are two different players. If you drafted them, they would take up two spots on your roster and literally could be in the batting order twice. One version could be in the game and batting 5th as an OF and then the pitcher version inserted as a relief pitcher and batting 9th with the former version is still in the game.

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Nah... were just talking about 1885- how ironic

So the sim is not coding these players as 2-way players, even though they were used in that way---as far as I can tell.

The case of Buffinton is extremely strange, since he did have 17 decisions in 150 or so IP, in 1886, but is not coded as a P for that year.

If you just search Buffinton as a position player, nothing at all comes up, because the default search is for 20 games at any position; he is coded at playing less than 20 games at any position (1B and OF). He must have been used primarily in a PH role.

Guy Hecker is a different case, web sources stating that he was widely known as a pitcher and as a hitter, from the git-go. And then he did turn into a position player. I have no idea what the sim is doing with him.

All this being said, I believe we now understand each other and we agree. It would not be allowed for you to draft two Charlie Buffinton's, because they are from two different years, and you could only choose one year of him in any case. So obviously you have to choose one year or the other.

The only problem would be if there are players coded both as P and as position players for the same year. Are there any of those?

So here's the real deal.

If you draft Buffinton 1885, he would disappear from your staff in 1886, and you should be able to cut him as a pitcher and draft him as a hitter for that year. But of course, it doesn't matter because of 2 years at a time. He's back on staff in 1887.

Bones Ely, now, pitched in 1886 and then went away for three years, not on the team at all. He came back as an all-star shortstop. What happens if you draft him? You still have rights to him, yes? You have to cut him, though, for 1887-1888.

so thats the way were working that whole thing out? Alright

If you draft a player like Bones, for the time period that he is out of the sim.....you can put him on the DL. This lets you keep the rights to him when he becomes available again, but you can fill his spot on the roster in the interim.

Quote: Originally Posted By neabaseball on 11/27/2009If you draft a player like Bones, for the time period that he is out of the sim.....you can put him on the DL. This lets you keep the rights to him when he becomes available again, but you can fill his spot on the roster in the interim

Awesome

If you draft a pitcher will WIS even allow you to use him (or her) at another position? I had Drysdale in his '64 and '65 season when he had such awsome hitting seasons & I couldn't even use him as a PH. Has something changed?

I saw on the boards recently that someone was saying that "Sparky" occasionally inserted pitchers as PH in non-DH leagues.

Also, in one of the recent updates, something was done to limit the capability of pitchers as hitters so that they could NOT be used by owners as extra bats.

I think this inability to use pitchers to hit is a significant shortcoming of the sim and is unrealistic in historical terms and in just plain baseball terms.

Quote: Originally Posted By neabaseball on 11/26/2009
Let's officially vote on whether to use WIS Park as an available stadium:

Yes vote to use it.

No vote to exclude it.

It looks like the "No's" have it......

By Rasluggo:

Andy, may we please have a guideline as to how the "careers" of the baseball stadiums will be handled?

Since this is a progressive league, it is clearly known that when a player retires, he's off the team.

But what happens when, for example, the 19th-century parks go out of existence in a certain season? At that time, the majority of the 1901 parks will already have been taken, so we'll have to look to 1903 or later parks.

Are we saying that the league will try to track in some fashion parks that are contemporaneous with the seasons being played, or not.

It would be very valuable to me to know what the prospect is, in thinking about which park to choose.

This is a complicated issue and I haven't figured out the best way to handle it yet.

Probably the best thing to do is keep our current parks until we reach the 1901-02 season. At that point, we'll probably throw out any pre-1900 park that wasn't in use after the turn of the century. That's where it gets tricky.

The first question is, as parks become out of date, do we allow the owner to automatically replace his out of date park with the new one that replaced his old one? If so, what happens in a situation where the replacement park was already in use. This will happen with the Philly Baseball Grounds (1887-94) and the Baker Bowl (1895-1938). The owner of the Philly BB Grounds would have to draft a separate park.

Once that question is resolved, then we have to address whether to allow parks that were only in use for a few years. Is it worth the hassle to allow a park that is only available to be used for a season or two?

Lastly, do we put any kind of restrictions on how often an owner can change parks? Is it only when his park drops out of use or do we allow him to change as often as he wants....or some combination of both (i.e. can change once every 20 yrs or whenever his park drops out of use, whichever comes first).

This is too complicated for me to decide on without some input from the rest of the owners and probably too much to try to get decided during the draft. For sure all parks available in the draft pool will be allowed to be used thru the 1899-1900 season. After that, we need to come to some general consensus.