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Quote: Originally Posted By toddcommish on 1/06/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By kahrtmen on 1/06/2010
Like MikeT has said, EVERY stat is identical with the exception of home runs. This leads to a more realistic statline, which is ultimately a good thing. I doubt the veracity of the claim that HRs are becoming 2bs and 3bs, since, like antonsirius said, it's very unlikely that HR are being converted to 2b/3b at EXACTLY the same rate as 2b/3b being converted to 1b. I suppose it's semantics. Ultimately, the average HBD line is more realistic now.
Just to point out the flaw in this reasoning... the hits (and all events in HBD) are based on mathematical formulae, meaning that it is MORE likely that all hits would be converted at the exact same rate plus or minus a standard deviation.
Homers becoming other hits is the most LIKELY result of a change in power programming. Homers all becoming singles is incredibly UNLIKELY and almost certainly more difficult to program. Not only that, it would take deliberately created special programming to accomplish, and a motive to spend programmers time doing that. That is even more incredibly unlikely.
1/6/2010 12:43 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By 98greenc5 on 1/06/2010maybe in 10 minutes last season you could have found 15 "underperformers" ... of course, without a "cause" to pattern-associate with the "effect" it doesn't have the same char
Undoubtedly there were at least 15 underperformers in EVERY season of EVERY world ever played. No question about that.

Do you understand the significance of that? Do you grasp the repercussions?? It means the game has been screwed up forever!!!!!

(where's the sarcasm emoticon?)
1/6/2010 12:46 PM
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1/6/2010 12:50 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By kahrtmen on 1/06/2010It is possible that the demographics of the average team have changed dramatically in the past three months, but I doubt it
it doesn't have to be "dramatic" ... lots of owners "cheated" the defensive requirements (3B at SS, RF at 3B, 1B at LF, DH at 1B) in the past because the penalties weren't severe ... now they are ... if a team "shifts" their defensive spectrum up one (a fresh no-hit SS, the former SS moves to 3B, etc), the ultimate effect is to take one offensive bat out of the line-up ... that can have a lot bigger effect than you might think
1/6/2010 12:52 PM
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Yes it would definitely have an effect, but what are the chances of ending up with the same rate stats for AVG and OBP? My guess is that people have been very slow to adapt to the changes in the update, and as a result the makeup of most teams has not changed much, if at all. I suppose we'll have a better idea in six months or a year.
1/6/2010 12:58 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By 98greenc5 on 1/06/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By kahrtmen on 1/06/2010
The average player has seen a dip of 30 points of SLG due entirely to lower HR outputs.
I disagree with the simplicity of this conclusion

slugging of "the average of players playing today" is down 30 points compared to "the average of players playing before the update" ... but it is NOT entirely due to lower HR outputs ... first, those former HR machines aren't all playing now because some of them suck now (although this effect *is* a by-product of the HR logic change) ... but the defensive engine was also changed, and owners may have swapped offensive players for defensive players ... and the HR logic change is not responsible for any fallout from this

green, if you're going to be so logical you're going to spoil all the fun.
1/6/2010 12:59 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By kahrtmen on 1/05/2010
First, let me say that I have no problem with the HR correction. I like the fact that it's very hard to hit 60 home runs now. I just wanted to look at the data and see what it said.

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However, none of those home runs have become doubles and triples, since 2B and 3B/G hasn't moved. Those "lost" home runs have all become singles. Looks like the correction isn't doing what they intended.
Quote: Originally Posted By kahrtmen on 1/06/2010 at 1:09 pm
The average player has seen a dip of 30 points of SLG due entirely to lower HR outputs.
So much for just looking at the data and seeing what it said. Props to someone who tries to do that, but it's harder than you realize.
1/6/2010 1:03 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/06/2010
torre, HBD is producing MLB-like stats. Who the update is affecting shouldn't be the issue. The fact that HBD now closely mirrors MLB should be something we're seeking.

Seriously, who plays Madden on easy so they can have a 3000 yard rusher?

I agree Mike. The closer WIS gets to RL MLB the better. My point just illustrated how much of a change they needed to make to bring the sim more in line with RL.
1/6/2010 2:03 PM
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League/TEAM avg HR in GAP this season is 139 per team. Last season it was 215.
1/7/2010 1:12 AM
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granted we haven't finished the latest season yet in GAP (141/162 games or 87%).

139 projects to 160

HR/Team
MLB AL: 185 last year
MLB NL: 155 last year
MLB: 168

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions based on just that yet.
1/7/2010 8:52 AM
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2009-standard-batting.shtml
1/7/2010 8:53 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/06/2010
MLB 2009

NL .259/.331/.409 288/36/156
AL .267/.336/.428 295/28/183

Given that ML teams are probably ran a little bit better, as a whole, than HBD teams, I'd say WifS is doing a fine job of simulating baseball in HBD.

1/7/2010 9:02 AM
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I was very interested in this thread reading the first post but then the regulars came in here and destroyed the point of it.

We know HRs are down across the board, thats what they wanted and thats what they did, admin posted a thread putting an end to that dumbass line of discussion.



The point of the original post was to discuss if the HRs are becoming singles, triples and doubles like admin said they intended.

Could we please discuss that and not the same old stuff from a month ago regulars?
1/7/2010 11:01 AM
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If you were paying attention, you'd understand.

Homers are down. Slugging is down. Doubles, triples, batting average and OBP are the same. What do you think happened to the homers?
1/7/2010 11:12 AM
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