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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 1/21/2010How so?Because, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, MLB players don't have little contact/power/eye ratings that dictate, more or less, how they'll perform.Now there's no way WifS can get every WORLD to replicate MLB.  But they can adjust the engine so that, overall, HBD closely resembles MLB.

They absolutely *can*, I just don't think they should if they are really striving for realism.

You're right, of course, that there are no contact/power/eye ratings in RL, but GMs use surrogates for them (which are arguably more accurate) such as K (looking/swining), HR, RF/Zone factor, etc.

If you want true realism, the stats for MLB and HBD should match up --- when everything else is equal. That would be as realistic as possible.

Artificially making the stats match up while ignoring player usage takes us further from that.
1/21/2010 3:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 1/21/2010
Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 1/21/2010
How so?

Because, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, MLB players don't have little contact/power/eye ratings that dictate, more or less, how they'll perform.

Now there's no way WifS can get every WORLD to replicate MLB. But they can adjust the engine so that, overall, HBD closely resembles MLB.

They absolutely *can*, I just don't think they should if they are really striving for realism.

You're right, of course, that there are no contact/power/eye ratings in RL, but GMs use surrogates for them (which are arguably more accurate) such as K (looking/swining), HR, RF/Zone factor, etc.

If you want true realism, the stats for MLB and HBD should match up --- when everything else is equal. That would be as realistic as possible.

Artificially making the stats match up while ignoring player usage takes us further from that


Again, when looking at 150 worlds, you're looking at a pretty big sample size. World A, with player B and C, might be a little skewered but the combined stats of World 1 thru World 150 probably should somewhat match-up with MLB if HBD is attempting to replicate MLB. The latest tweak got pretty close.

My concern is constant tweaks based on performances from Player B and Player C from World A.
1/21/2010 3:27 PM
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1/21/2010 3:38 PM
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I'd be willing to argue that they never expected 100-rated power hitters to regularly hit 80 HRs.

zbrent, I think you're suggesting that the HR programming was working fine, but that people were overloading with +HR parks and 90+ power hitters... which isn't entirely untrue.... but I think their intention was to limit the (relative) frequency of the crazy 80+ HR outlier seasons, and make them actual outliers (as opposed to semi-regular).... regardless of owner usage.

On a "marco" scale, I'm not sure that's a bad thing, although it seems to be wreaking havoc on a "micro" scale.
1/21/2010 3:53 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by zbrent716 on 1/21/2010
Quote: Originally posted by kahrtmen on 1/20/2010If they are trying to replicate MLB then they can't really increase doubles without adjusting the other stats. Right now HBD is very close to MLB averages.
The goal should *not* be to replicate MLB stats.

The goal *should* be to develop an engine that would replicate MLB stats if HBD owners acted the same way MLB owners/managers do.

Quite simply, we don't, so developing an engine to re-create MLB stats under considerably different conditions actually takes us further from the realism many clamor for.

exactly.
1/21/2010 3:54 PM
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So it doesnt seem odd to anyone else that the goal of the game engine is to do what MLB is doing right now...As opposed to a more generic formula that lets some worlds look like 1987 and some like 1969 and some like 2009?
1/21/2010 4:12 PM
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Talent is not evenly distributed between worlds. Some have better hitting, other have better pitching. Along with that, some worlds have a bunch of HBD idiots and n00brapers while others are filled with quality owners. But, overall, if you take all those variables, throw them in a pot and attempt to somewhat replicate MLB with engine tweaks, I think WifS is dead on.

I'm not interested in playing this game with video game results. I don't want teams to win 78% of their games or players to bat .545 with 84 homers. I'm not interested in pitchers throwing 23 no-hitters every season. I doubt many of us do. So, if WifS has to make occassional adjustments due to the dumbassery of some owners/worlds, so be it. I just don't want WifS to begin changing the engine every 3 months because a player who once hit 87 homers a season is now hitting 49.
1/21/2010 4:30 PM
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