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Actually, tec, that 89 win team could have probably won 95+. But, as you can see, I played some SP roulette down the stretch as the owner who won the division was about 10 up at the A/S break and never looked back. But trust me, I didn't have a stud SP. I utilized the hell out of the bullpen with pull ratings. The final numbers are very similar to my S11 staff(that did have 3 studs) that won the WS.

Utilization of good pitching more than makes up for a lack of a stud.

1/19/2010 2:53 PM
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Again, the belief that you can't win without studs is why tanking is prevelant in HBD and many owners are always in rebuild mode.
1/19/2010 2:55 PM
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What do, or did, you generally use for your pull ratings?
1/19/2010 3:02 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/19/2010

Actually, tec, that 89 win team could have probably won 95+. But, as you can see, I played some SP roulette down the stretch as the owner who won the division was about 10 up at the A/S break and never looked back. But trust me, I didn't have a stud SP. I utilized the hell out of the bullpen with pull ratings. The final numbers are very similar to my S11 staff(that did have 3 studs) that won the WS.

Utilization of good pitching more than makes up for a lack of a stud.


I don't dispute that you apparently did a great job of getting the most out of you pitchers with good staff management. But still, when you're talking about the post-season, there is an element of luck (both good and bad) involved. Having a stud or two in your rotation will mitigate the bad luck and definitely swing the odds and/or randomness factor more in your favor.

S12 of Coop I rode my two big arms throughout the post-season. Combined, they started 12 out of my 16 games. No way I would have come as close as I did to the prize without two horses I could throw out there that often.

Again, I think your example is the exception more than the rule.
1/19/2010 3:02 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By aaronwayne on 1/19/2010Question:

What is the best way to get the most out of your high level kids?
Say I've a got a 19 year old 2B, who's at 59 right now, & projected to be at 82, what is the best routine I can use to see that he gets as close to that 82 as possible? (I know splits and the other categories are important, but I'm just talking in general here)

Thanks!


Aside from making sure he always has good coaching and gets playing time, I would always play him at SS if possible. That will increase his fielding ratings the fastest. Playing him at CF or 2B will help too, but unless you've got a better offensive prospect at this guy's level I'd stick him at SS throughout the minors to develop him as quickly as possible. Note the tradeoff that he will get fatigued more quickly however.
1/19/2010 3:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jway11 on 1/19/2010What do, or did, you generally use for your pull ratings


I generally start the season with my 3-4 best pitchers set at 2. The rest of the staff is 3. I adjust about once a week, up/down 1, based on results. When the post-season starts, everyone is adjusted up 1. With the staff listed in this thread, I think almost everyone was 4-5 for the playoffs.
1/19/2010 3:09 PM
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That's similar to what I do for the regular season. The few guys that I trust the very most are 1. I never know what to do for the playoffs, I usually bump guys up by 1 or 2.
1/19/2010 3:24 PM
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You can't "give away" a game in the playoffs by letting your ace "work out of it." Upping the pull doesn't mean he won't go five innings and give up six runs but he won't do it in one inning. And, worst case scenario, he's ready to pitch again earlier.
1/19/2010 3:28 PM
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Tim - Assuming we're talking about your Augusta team (41 wins with 4 to play), you have nearly a "perfect storm" for rebuilding. You have only 4 guaranteed contracts for a total of only $12.8mil next year. You're likely to have the #1 draft pick. One of next yr's FAs could be Type A and good enough for someone to take him, enhancing your draft.

Unfortunately, your current Intl Scouting budget is only $2mil, meaning you can't raise it any higher than 6 next yr. You need to do that next year, so you can raise it to 10 in Rebuilding Season 2. At 6, you're not going to be seeing many International prospects and the projections will be somewhat suspect. For this reason, I wouldn't bid $10mil for anybody, but you can pursue Internationals with good current ratings and reasonably high demands. It's still a crap-shoot, but you will have the bonus cash to spend and might be OK with 2 of 3 kids signed for $5mil each.

You have a big chance to strike it rich in the amateur draft, so I'd raise your HS and College Scouts from 10 to 14. Your #1 pick should be either a likely Cy Young SP or a stud MIF prospect (inc. defense).

For next year's ML roster, don't plan on bidding on anybody for the first two days of FA signing. Populate your target list with the best players who aren't Type-A and be ready to sign those who become bonafide bargains on or after Rule 5 Day.

With regard to the Rule 5 draft, it's possible to get a good ML quality player with the #1 pick. After the first round, you may find a decent RP or backup/platoon hitter or two.

Next season should be fun. The challenge is to put together a low-budget ML team which can win 50-60 games next year (a significant improvement) while you bring a couple of potential stars and a half dozen other future MLers into the organization.
1/19/2010 3:37 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 1/19/2010
Seems that with an 89 win team, you hit the "hot streak" jackpot in the post-season and pulled a WS winner out of your ***. So I'd say this is the exception and not the rule.
Ding!Ding!Ding! We have a winner!

Mike beat three 100 win teams (including a 114 win juggernaut) on the way to the WS where he spanked a mediocre team (that hit its own hot streak to get there). I don't think pull ratings had nearly as much to do with it as blind luck and short series.
1/19/2010 3:44 PM
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Yes GrandWiz that is the team I am talking about. The previous owner set the INTL budget at 2 (as you said) so I am kind of stuck. He also set his player payroll at $100M and used only $45 of it this year, also screwing me since I couldn't use the $55 to get IFA's because of the 2 INTL budget. I have 14 guys in ARB next season so that will up my payroll significantly from what I would like it to be in this case.

The worst thing the previous owner did was to ruin his SP's and prospects. The best SP prospect was jumped from HighA to ML and as a result hasn't come close to reaching projections. He also suffered a major injury this season and he is now 26 so he will never reach his full potential. Basically, the team was rushed and now I am in a situation where I have ARB eligible guys who never hit projections. There is some talent in the system but there is nothing in the way of a complete player. I am going to try and make two for one's or three for one's in order to get more talent but I will be sacrificing depth in order to do this. Is this a sound strategy and can I reasonably expect to be able to pull it off? I want to waste no more than 3 seasons building this thing back up and I'm going to have to do different things than I normally would with a rebuild, ie - sign FA's to deal for prospects and gamble on IFA's.
1/19/2010 3:54 PM
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If you have a low IFA budget, go by the demands. The higher the demands (as long as they are "looking to sign"), the higher the quality of player. With an IFA budget of 6, you'll be lucky to see one stud IFA, so if you see one, make sure you get him, no matter what position he plays.
1/19/2010 4:55 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jvford on 1/19/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 1/19/2010
Seems that with an 89 win team, you hit the "hot streak" jackpot in the post-season and pulled a WS winner out of your ***. So I'd say this is the exception and not the rule.
Ding!Ding!Ding! We have a winner!

Mike beat three 100 win teams (including a 114 win juggernaut) on the way to the WS where he spanked a mediocre team (that hit its own hot streak to get there). I don't think pull ratings had nearly as much to do with it as blind luck and short series.



I've said all along that playoffs aren't much more than a crap shoot. However, I think I just proved that you don't have to have 8 pitching studs to win a WS.

As I said, we'd all like them but, if you don't have them, it doesn't doom you to failure. The fact that n00bs believe you have to be loaded with studs, and veterans perpetuate that belief, is why tanking is such an issue. You can't have 12-15 studs without n00braping or tanking.
1/19/2010 4:55 PM
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This team just dominated the regular season for 7 seasons. Always signed the best free agents, had MVPs and Cy Young winners, but as you can see, never even made it to a world series.

1 ML 64-98 .395 3rd No No
2 ML 86-76 .531 1st No Yes yes no no
3 ML 104-58 .642 1st No Yes yes no no
4 ML 111-51 .685 1st No Yes yes no no
5 ML 101-61 .623 1st No Yes no no no
6 ML 115-47 .710 1st No Yes no no no
7 ML 105-57 .648 1st No Yes yes no no
8 ML 117-45 .722 1st No Yes no no no
9 ML 102-60 .630 1st No Yes yes no no
1/19/2010 5:02 PM
MikeT23
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That's because his stud aces got beat by decent pitchers in a short series. I've yet to see the 36-0 pitcher.
1/19/2010 5:04 PM
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