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Quote: Originally Posted By deanod on 1/31/2010
Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 1/31/2010
Of course I'd have shut down Foxx. I just gave you MY guidelines. WifS will not. There have been just as bad, if not worse, and they have filled one way or another.

FWIW, that world is filling up rather quickly. Bunch of "new" users. I don't think we'll do a damn thing to "fix" it. WifS should change the name to "Alias Nation" and move on. I'm convinced that many of the "new" teams are holdovers who heard about the idea to "clean it up."

at least you managed to get laid in college. I wish I could have.


1/31/2010 12:11 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By grivfmd1 on 1/31/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/31/2010

You didn't really answer the questions.

Nonetheless, what, exactly, should WifS' policy be? If x-number of owners say "Damn, that world is f'd up" just close it down? Close down worlds with x-number of openings?

Provide a solution, or at least a suggestion, instead of ******** about what others are doing.

As opposed to some I had not been so pretentious as to outline a solution for wifs - only to point out what the users should not be trying to solve a problem that belongs to wifs.

However, if you want a solution here is a possible outline

(1) No public leagues - all leagues to have commissioners who are responsible to wifs for maintaining balance in the league (in theory like it should work in MLB). The commish will receive a free season for each year he is the commish that league. Any league that loses it commissioner has one appointed by wifs with the advice and consent of the league. If in wifs opinion the league becomes unbalanced wifs will remove the commissioner and replace with the commish with who ever they see fit. The commish will retain the power to remove owners at rollover.

(2) All leagues not filling in one week must consider newbie owners and will be listed as available leagues - but admittance will be through the commissioner like a private league. The commish must maintain a 33% admittance rate for newbies.

(3) Wifs will stop playing games with alias - they can tell if 2 "owners" are likely the same person and have choosen not to act on most of these - at a minimum they should be notifying the commissioners of each league of potential risks.

In short all leagues have commissioner, all commissioers are "paid" and act as wifs agents to keep their leagues clean, failed commissioners are removed, and wifs more actively monitors for conflicts and alias via discussions with its agent/commissioners.



1. Retarded. Businesses don't want to put stringent restrictions on income. You know, because they're a business.

2. Aliascity.

3. I think you give WifS too much credit for knowing about aliases.
1/31/2010 12:14 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/31/2010

1. Retarded. Businesses don't want to put stringent restrictions on income. You know, because they're a business.
2. Aliascity.

3. I think you give WifS too much credit for knowing about aliases.
1) they have not grown their league number and player base in 1.5 years and are driving away 95% of the 1st time users in the present model - I would say that the present model is "restricting their income" "because they are a business" they should try a different model (maybe you can afford to drive away 95% of your 1st tiime customers in your business but I can not) - I don't care what the fix is as long as it solves the problem. Pretending to fix one of their FUBARed leagues does not solve the problem

2) alias are the issue - dah!! -- this is the real problem - they have deluded themselves into thinking $14.95 in alias income is worth the havic it creates - IT DOESN'T - they need a new business model -

3) Wifs knows damn well - 3 years ago I bought my 86 y/o father(oldsaltct) a sim team (he eventually played sim and HBD) and he played for a couple of years. Most of the time in seperate leagues. We played one sim world together in opposite leagues (telling everyone the relationship from the start) and 1 season met in the world series. He eventually quit, in part, because wifs kept calling him by my name in communications even though we corrected them a dozen times. They knew damn well we were playing off the same computer and therefore made the wrong assumption that oldsaltct was an alias - which they otherwise ignored even when we were playing for a WS title. Wifs may not always get it right but if they paid attention they would know when there is a risk and that could be communicated to the commissioner of a league. ---
1/31/2010 12:41 PM
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Why do alias only pay $14.95? and we have to pay $24.95
1/31/2010 12:48 PM
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1. It's equally retarded because, rather than a half dozen or so owners trying to "fix" a world(ala Foxx), you're putting the responsibility into one man's hands. How many worlds have moronic commishes?

2. Yes, they are. And, rather than allow my world to admit n00bs, I'd create an alias to keep my world for falling beneath your requirements. Then, when I found more owners, I'd withdraw my alias. My world would have full knowledge of what I'm doing. Of course, some commishes would simply let their alias play.

3. I access WifS from 3 computers. I have three email addresses(and can obvously create as many as I want). So, right now, I could put three teams in one world and no one would know. End of story.
1/31/2010 12:52 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by phillyfan009 on 1/31/2010Why do alias only pay $14.95? and we have to pay $24.95

You have to check the "Are you an alias?" box to receive the $10 discount.
1/31/2010 12:53 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by phillyfan009 on 1/31/2010New Guys World is probably headed down the same road, if they don't remove their current commissioner. But of course there will be worlds like this. The only thing to do is

1) leave it
2) hope the owners see what is going on
3.) don't give a hoot, and ignore the situatio


Get off it already man! If you don't like the world LEAVE IT! Bashing the world's commish whether you like what he's done or not is really bad form IMO. He hasn't really retaliated in the Forums yet you keep bringing him up.. Are you trying to keep this argument going? I hate when people try to rally others to follow in what they think or believe.. You've stated your opinion once,twice, ten, twenty times.. I think it's been heard.. Enough already.. Damn...
1/31/2010 12:55 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by hypnotoad on 1/31/2010
Quote: Originally posted by phillyfan009 on 1/31/2010Why do alias only pay $14.95? and we have to pay $24.95
You have to check the "Are you an alias?" box to receive the $10 discount.
Darn I don't have that option.
1/31/2010 1:21 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By phillyfan009 on 1/31/2010Why do alias only pay $14.95? and we have to pay $24.9
1st time owners pay 14.95 for a team - log out then look at the HBD home page -- poor marketing concept
1/31/2010 2:00 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/31/2010
1. It's equally retarded because, rather than a half dozen or so owners trying to "fix" a world(ala Foxx), you're putting the responsibility into one man's hands. How many worlds have moronic commishes?

2. Yes, they are. And, rather than allow my world to admit n00bs, I'd create an alias to keep my world for falling beneath your requirements. Then, when I found more owners, I'd withdraw my alias. My world would have full knowledge of what I'm doing. Of course, some commishes would simply let their alias play.

3. I access WifS from 3 computers. I have three email addresses(and can obvously create as many as I want). So, right now, I could put three teams in one world and no one would know. End of story.

1) Besides yours? (couldn't resist) One person, receiving reimbursement, with power to remove owners, and who will be removed if not doing his job will likely be more effective than a dozen "rescuers"

2) Fill the league in 7 days and you don't have to consider newbies - use an alias yourself and FUBAR the league wifs removes you from the position and the league - awful damn short sighted, you might do it but most would not

3) you would need multiple computers, multiple emails and multiple payment systems under different names - did not say it couldn't be done but wifs should pick up all but the most sophisticated - plus the commish would have the power to boot you and the alias at the next rollover if you FUBARed the league. If you just ran it as 2 seperate legit teams then wifs and the other league members won't care.

The key is motivated - replaceable commissioners - there is no doubt this would require some work on wifs part - but they have a broken business model and they should try something new

Since they are even less likely to try your supposed solution and the "rescuers" approach is total nonsense as an earlier post of yours admitted Let's hear your WORKABLE solution.
1/31/2010 2:14 PM
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1. I can't fix a world on my own.

2. As noted in #3, I could do it with no one knowing.

3. I have several credit cards. So, coupled with multiple computers and emails, I think it's covered.

I don't think the business model is broken. I think a few worlds are broken. My solution is just as workable, and realistic, as your solution. My solution turns public worlds into quality worlds or disposable training grounds for n00bs. I fail to see the issue it would create.
1/31/2010 2:47 PM
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I see no problem with anything. Anyone with any experience in this game will leave the FUBAR leagues for stronger more solid ones. If 4 or 5 people with a bunch of aliases want to"play with themselves" in some dumb public league, let them have at it. I am going to stay in worlds that are strong and solid.

I would also note that worlds can be fixed no matter how FUBARed they are. take a look at ABU, which was in pretty awful shape, but a group of owners got together, went in there, and while it may not be the best league in HBD now, it is a solid strong league with great competitiveness - and has gone from a league that I joined just to fulfill a commitment to turn a god-awful franchise into a winner, to one that I am now commited to remaining with for the foreseeable future.
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