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Quote: Originally posted by kelby_03 on 2/20/2010the NT teams already get a nice prestige boost over schools that don't make it. I don't think they need to be given a higher % of conference money too.

Seems like a lot of people basically want to move toward a draft. I've been reading about a lot of suggestions lately that would disproportionately help the A+ prestige teams... like they need it!
2/20/2010 9:53 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By hitman1979 on 2/20/2010
Quote: Originally posted by kelby_03 on 2/20/2010 the NT teams already get a nice prestige boost over schools that don't make it. I don't think they need to be given a higher % of conference money too.

Seems like a lot of people basically want to move toward a draft. I've been reading about a lot of suggestions lately that would disproportionately help the A+ prestige teams... like they need it
That's why I advocate 3 or 4 super elite prospects per year. These guys will be less influenced by location. And they will come in with top-level IQs. Elite teams, theoretically, will battle for those guys. That opens the door, at least a little, for the next tier.
2/20/2010 9:58 PM
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Wouldn't moving towards a draft mean the worst teams would get the best players? A+ prestige teams don't have the edge in this game as they do in real life, so it's not like it's some enormous gap. In real life if UNC is recruiting a guy in Lubbock, Texas and Texas Tech likes him, Tech has very little chance of landing him. In HD UNC would have very little chance of getting of him because of the huge distance advantage Tech would have.
2/20/2010 10:04 PM
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Are you arguing that A+ prestige teams don't have enough of an edge right now?

2/20/2010 10:08 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by hitman1979 on 2/20/2010Are you arguing that A+ prestige teams don't have enough of an edge right now?



Not when they have more then 6 open ships they do not. And are you seriously arguing the point about a kid from Texas and TT v UNC? Because that is 100% accurate point.
2/20/2010 10:27 PM
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As I was saying, we have people arguing for a draft. Good luck getting it, Z.
2/20/2010 10:30 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by hitman1979 on 2/20/2010As I was saying, we have people arguing for a draft. Good luck getting it, Z.

I am not advocating a draft what-so-ever, if you believe that then you clearly do not understand what is being discussed and the dynamics of high d1 recruiting.
2/20/2010 10:45 PM
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I avoid going hth with conf. mates, and wouldn't jump on a player late if a team in conf. WAS GOING TO sign him. That being said, after signings start, a lot of teams have one scholie and 3 players considering them. I wouldn't see any harm in going after someone they had no intention of signing.

Also, being polite to conf mates is one thing. However, one time, a conf mate and I jumped on the smae player immediately and neither of us spent the cash to land him, both of us trying to "let the other guy have him" One cycle before signings another coach out of conf. jumped on him, and both of us were out.

Really, I have to agree, there is no poaching. It's a competition and you win the way you can win.
2/20/2010 11:10 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By kelby_03 on 2/20/2010
the NT teams already get a nice prestige boost over schools that don't make it. I don't think they need to be given a higher % of conference money too.
Unless said schools are already maxed out in prestige... Then they get nothing but the headache of EE for a reward. "Here is your shiney trophey and now we will give all the money equally and take some of your underclassmen. Have a nice day!" Great equalizer, but the prestige boost doesn't exist for some (see lostmyth, et al).
2/20/2010 11:11 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By hitman1979 on 2/20/2010Are you arguing that A+ prestige teams don't have enough of an edge right now?

A+ prestige have a good advantage as long as they are close in distance and aren't a huge money disadvantage. But if an A+ prestige has 1 or 2 open ships and is going after a guy 100 miles and they end up battling a B+ school that is about the same distance but they have 6 open ships, there is almost no chance the A+ wins that battle unless the B+ just does a terrible job. In real life that just wouldn't happen. Again I'll use UNC as an example, if they go after a recruit hard and Maryland goes after the same recruit even harder who do you think is going to land that recruit?
2/21/2010 12:36 AM
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IMO, Once your program is up to a B or so, prestige is not a big deal. At that point, its who has more cash to spend. It's the midmajor schools that find it very difficult to compete, since even very successful schools have a hard time to upgrade past the C+/B-, as the conf prestige/baseline continues to pull them down.
2/21/2010 12:42 AM
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everything is fair in recruiting...conference mate or not...however, if you're coming into my state for a recruit you must understand that i'm going to make you spend more money than you wanted to..
2/21/2010 12:52 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 2/20/2010
Quote: Originally posted by hitman1979 on 2/20/2010 Are you arguing that A+ prestige teams don't have enough of an edge right now?



Not when they have more then 6 open ships they do not. And are you seriously arguing the point about a kid from Texas and TT v UNC? Because that is 100% accurate point


I've kind of been following this from afar, but I've got to throw my two cents in.

If you're at an A+ prestige school, with six schollies worth of money PLUS any postseason money, and you're having a hard time filling those schollies, then you're stretching yourself too thin chasing too many studs. If you've got 8 openings to fill and you're trying to fill all 8 with 5 star recruits (to include JuCos, obviously), then yes, you may have a problem getting them all signed. But that's not a problem with the system, that's simply a coach getting too greedy. And yes, I understand the dynamics of high level D1 recruiting.
2/21/2010 9:15 AM
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I just don't think too many coaches are going to have much sympathy for the A+ prestige schools with a ton of money not being able to fill all their spots with top-of-the-line recruits. Right or wrong, I just don't see it.......
2/21/2010 9:26 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 2/20/2010
Quote: Originally posted by hitman1979 on 2/20/2010Are you arguing that A+ prestige teams don't have enough of an edge right now?

Not when they have more then 6 open ships they do not. And are you seriously arguing the point about a kid from Texas and TT v UNC? Because that is 100% accurate point.

I am not sure what the point about more than 6 open ships means. They just lifted the $$ limit on recruiting money.
2/21/2010 9:26 AM
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