need help with waives/release/desginate Topic

deanod
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i think mike was referring to your fear of the demotion penalty.

in reality, losing 1 point isn't a big deal...losing 1 point in six different categories hurts more than you'd think.
3/2/2010 2:04 PM
MikeT23
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Quote: Originally Posted By deanod on 3/02/2010um, nevermind, missed that tidbit. i just checked one team and saw a guy who fit the bill so i stopped.

it is probably This Guy then, and he's not quite as good


Yeah, I know. Because you said "Try to trade him" like you had discovered something that no one had every thought of.
3/2/2010 2:05 PM
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Ah, it's not that losing 1 point is always (ever?) that big of a deal.

Risking 1 point (or 6) for no good reason, however, is really f*uckin' stupid and I do take issue with stupidity, especially when it comes in the guise of advice to noobs.
3/2/2010 2:05 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By deanod on 3/02/2010i think mike was referring to your fear of the demotion penalty.

in reality, losing 1 point isn't a big deal...losing 1 point in six different categories hurts more than you'd think


No, it really doesn't.

That 77/74/70/68/72 is still virtually the same player at 75/72/68/66/70.
3/2/2010 2:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 3/02/2010Ah, it's not that losing 1 point is always (ever?) that big of a deal.

Risking 1 point (or 6) for no good reason, however, is really f*uckin' stupid and I do take issue with stupidity, especially when it comes in the guise of advice to noobs


It's not for "no good reason" unless your head is so far up your *** it's shut off oxygen to your reptilian-like brain.
3/2/2010 2:07 PM
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plus with a proven vet you never know if they may lose 2 or 3 points.

most recently i had to demote Jose Cornejo to add an extra pitcher onto my roster after some fatigue and minor injuries and he went from fringey to AAA turd in a heartbeat. naturally, i don't care cause he was just cheap filler to me, but if he was good enough to pay $9M that penalty would really bother me.
3/2/2010 2:07 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 3/02/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 3/02/2010Ah, it's not that losing 1 point is always (ever?) that big of a deal.

Risking 1 point (or 6) for no good reason, however, is really f*uckin' stupid and I do take issue with stupidity, especially when it comes in the guise of advice to noobs.It's not for "no good reason" unless your head is so far up your *** it's shut off oxygen to your reptilian-like brain.


Your "reason" was 1 AAA start from the pitcher. That's "no good reason."
3/2/2010 2:10 PM
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Again, I'm not concerned with risking a point from a demotion penalty. You spazz out when a guy's contact drops from 78 to 77. Just a difference of opinion.
3/2/2010 2:12 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 3/02/2010Again, I'm not concerned with risking a point from a demotion penalty.   You spazz out when a guy's contact drops from 78 to 77.   Just a difference of opinion.

Again, I "spazz out" over complete stupidity offered to noobs in the guise of advice. Here, that's what you're offering.
3/2/2010 2:14 PM
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The advice I offered answered his question. You think it's stupid. I think it's stupid to soil your panties over a point in control and a P3. I guess we're at a stalemate.

I also think it's stupid to deal your BL players for prospects when you're 18-38. Or just dump them on the market for nothing.
3/2/2010 2:17 PM
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Here Mike, I'll put it in terms you might be more comfortable with - regardless of how you feel about risking demotion penalties, advising noobs to risk them without any meaningful benefit whatsoever leads to 'tard owners, 'tard Worlds, and an overall degradation of HBD.

Imagine if everyone just demoted players without any good reason. Would that be "good" for any owner or World?
3/2/2010 2:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/02/2010
The advice I offered answered his question. You think it's stupid. I think it's stupid to soil your panties over a point in control and a P3. I guess we're at a stalemate.

I also think it's stupid to deal your BL players for prospects when you're 18-38. Or just dump them on the market for nothing.

If he's in "full rebuild mode", a long-term contract will hinder his ability to build. He should consider trading the guy away for an old rosin bag and some eyeblack and pay his salary for the year, just to get him off the books for future years.
3/2/2010 2:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 3/02/2010Here Mike, I'll put it in terms you might be more comfortable with - regardless of how you feel about risking demotion penalties, advising noobs to risk them without any meaningful benefit whatsoever leads to 'tard owners, 'tard Worlds, and an overall degradation of HBD.

Imagine if everyone just demoted players without any good reason. Would that be "good" for any owner or World


Again, we seem to differ on "good" reason. I see no point in wasting time with DFAing a player I don't want on my BL roster. Demote him, take that awful, career-ending 1 point penalty and use him.

But, really, it all comes down to what you think about demotion penalties. You and Arlen think they're the death of HBD. I think they're minor annoyances that happen to inconsequential players.

3/2/2010 2:24 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By toddcommish on 3/02/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/02/2010

The advice I offered answered his question. You think it's stupid. I think it's stupid to soil your panties over a point in control and a P3. I guess we're at a stalemate.

I also think it's stupid to deal your BL players for prospects when you're 18-38. Or just dump them on the market for nothing.

If he's in "full rebuild mode", a long-term contract will hinder his ability to build. He should consider trading the guy away for an old rosin bag and some eyeblack and pay his salary for the year, just to get him off the books for future years


"Full rebuild mode" is code for "I need to tank". If the guy is making 20m, you can rebuild just fine with him on your roster. You don't have to purge your team of any BL talent to go into "full rebuild mode". You really, really don't.
3/2/2010 2:26 PM
zbrent716
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Ok, so now the "good reason" you are offering for demoting rather than designating is no longer the one AAA start, but instead the 10 seconds it takes after the guy clears waivers to assign him to AAA?

If not, what "good reason" will you come up with next?
3/2/2010 2:26 PM
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