All that's being asked to get corrected is the fact that he has not recovered after 90+ cycles, not that he got fatigued in the first place. The pitcher should not STILL BE FATIGUED after only getting 29 AB's as a DH 90+ cycles ago!

"But, if a team wouldn't do it, neither should we. And, if we do, we pay the price. He's lucky the guy didn't get injured and lose ratings. He should thank WifS for that."

Do pitchers in the N.L. drop like flies from batting?

Is your logic "that if a team in real life does not do something neither should we" because its not realistic?

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Look, we have a few factors at work here:

1. Pitchers shouldn't be DHing. I don't care for the why.

2. You should NEVER promote a 0(0) to the bigs. Replacement owner did something dumb.

3. WifS has stated that the program works exactly how they intended. They don't want us using pitchers as DHs.

4. It's one player. Treat it like an injury without the ratings hit.

5. plague would say I'm typing in red on an orange background. Even when everyone else sees it differently.



This entire situation isn't a problem that needs to be addressed. Take your lumps, play for free, learn a lesson, play it differently next time. You're welcome.

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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/10/2010
Look, we have a few factors at work here:

1. Pitchers shouldn't be DHing. I don't care for the why.

2. You should NEVER promote a 0(0) to the bigs. Replacement owner did something dumb.

3. WifS has stated that the program works exactly how they intended. They don't want us using pitchers as DHs.

4. It's one player. Treat it like an injury without the ratings hit.

5. plague would say I'm typing in red on an orange background. Even when everyone else sees it differently.



This entire situation isn't a problem that needs to be addressed. Take your lumps, play for free, learn a lesson, play it differently next time. You're welcome.

1. Agreed but irrelevant

2. He was promoted at about 50 (51) 90 cycles ago with the expectation that he'd recover in about 3-5 cycles like you would expect a pitcher to normally recover, which is quite reasonable and understandable. To say otherwise is just plain ignorant.

3. Fine and understood, but not allowing a pitcher to throw a single pitch the entire season because of 29 AB's as absurd and ridiculous and any other number of words that essentially mean wrong and need to be changed.

4. That's the current result but should it be? Really? For 29 AB's?

2. Why would a guy at 50(51) be expected to recover in 3-5 cycles? Position players don't go from 93 to 100 in a couple of cycles.

4. If you agree with #1(and you did), then your answer is "yes". It gives you plenty of incentive to not use a P as a DH.

There was a incentive to use a P as DH? It's a good thing WIS punishes you for using that incentive, we would not want all 32 teams in the league just willy nilly using a P as a DH. Could you imagine the chaos that would be generated if that was too happen?

Just took over an abandoned team where pitchers were being used as position players. I demoted them to rookie league (it's pre-draft) and signed a bunch of position players and put out the siren call for someone to send me a couple gloves so I can get the 40s out of the infield.

SIMMY signed a bunch of Tryout Camp guys to fill open slots on the team's rosters, and then used those guys as pitchers. Players who were on the roster, but not assigned a pitching role, were used as position players when needed.

Avoiding this issue could be accomplished if WiS ever gets around to adding position players to the Tryout Camp (as they said they would, at some point). In fact, if they created position players for the Tryout Camps, they could make them "signable" only for teams on AI - and that would solve the only legitimate whine in this thread (i.e. using an actual prospect pitcher in the field and potential killing him long term).

Apart from that, I cannot believe Mike got 3 full pages out of this stupidity. You take over an abandoned team, you just triage the situation. You play pitchers in the field for more than a game or two and the guy is torched. How is this hard or unfair? You people ever seen what happens when a position player pitches?!

"You people ever seen what happens when a position player pitches?!"

In real life I have seen a few position players pitch, its rare but I seen it happen. Usually they pitch a few batters and then they miss the rest of the season because of fatigue.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/10/2010

2. Why would a guy at 50(51) be expected to recover in 3-5 cycles? Position players don't go from 93 to 100 in a couple of cycles.

4. If you agree with #1(and you did), then your answer is "yes". It gives you plenty of incentive to not use a P as a DH.

The fact that you're not addressing the only issue really raised by this situation is taken as your agreement that it's a problem that needs to be fixed, namely that he's still fatigued after 90+ cycles from only 29 AB's. Whether 3, 5, 10 or 15 or however many cycles would have been contemplated for his recovery I think we'd all agree nobody would expect it to kill him for the rest of the year and I think we'd all agree it shouldn't kill him for the rest of the remaining 154 games and 160+ days on the schedule.

Quote: Originally posted by plague on 3/11/2010"You people ever seen what happens when a position player pitches?!"
In real life I have seen a few position players pitch, its rare but I seen it happen. Usually they pitch a few batters and then they miss the rest of the season because of fatigue.

This is not real baseball; this is HBD and that's what I'm talking about. Would you care to inform the class of what happens when you "force" a position player to pitch in HBD?

Hint: It's the same thing that happens to pitchers who play games in the field. THERE IS A PENALTY.

How hard is it to understand that DUR means one thing to 1's and 0's coded as "position players" and something completely different to 1's and 0's coded as "pitchers".

Try using a pitcher with 99 DUR every single game for 7 cycles. He gets worn out and blown out and ends up 0(0). PITCHERS FATIGUE MUCH FASTER THAN POSITION PLAYERS.

Go to your low-A inactive list and convert a pitcher to a position player or vice versa. Check out what happens to his ratings.

Perhaps the effect on the player is too severe - but to claim there should be no penalty because you've "seen it in real life" is just about the dumbest thing I've heard this week.

The problem here seems to be that he isn't listed as injured.

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