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4/27/2010 3:34 PM
oldave
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hmmmmm...

okay. i could be a worm in horseradish, i suppose. but i'll stll take OR's tark-uconn team over any other team by a wide margin.
4/27/2010 4:13 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by oldave on 4/27/2010hmmmmm...okay.  i could be a worm in horseradish, i suppose.  but i'll stll take OR's tark-uconn team over any other team by a wide margin. 

can't really blame you. maybe my dynasty list formulas are bad :O if i recall, uconn was the #1 all time 20 year at least. i never published it because worlds 2/5 were switched but i had the data computed...
4/27/2010 4:17 PM
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in other words.. dont confuse the issue with statistics and logic , doc.
4/27/2010 4:18 PM
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OD, look at "div III dynasty" topic. There is a post in there for you
4/27/2010 5:02 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 4/27/2010OD, look at "div III dynasty" topic. There is a post in there for you

not anymore...
4/27/2010 5:05 PM
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Here's Clone's time at ISU in Naismith, a pretty damn full d1 world.

OD, if you don't consider this a dynasty, you're a better coach than i think you are... and i've been in your conference before. :)

This is by no means to say that OR isn't the best, as he was busy kicking my but in the ACC at the same time, but this is a tough, long-term run. Posted the previous guy and the last down-ish cycle for honesty's sake, since Clone apparently made his first run with someone else's players, but those guys sure weren't getting jdailey anywhere...

44 Clone77 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 22 0 -
43 Clone77 21-9 11-2 8-5 2-2 14-2 19 9 A- Conf Champion
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42 Clone77 11-16 6-7 5-8 0-1 10-6 92 A
41 Clone77 24-7 10-2 11-3 3-2 13-3 9 5 A+ Conf Champion
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40 Clone77 25-7 11-1 9-5 5-1 12-4 8 5 A+ CT Champion
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39 Clone77 31-3 14-0 10-2 7-1 16-0 1 1 A+ Conf Champion
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38 Clone77 23-9 11-1 8-6 4-2 14-2 4 7 A+ Conf Champion
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37 Clone77 28-7 10-1 9-6 9-0 12-4 1 1 A+ Conf Champion
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36 Clone77 30-5 13-0 9-4 8-1 14-2 1 1 A+ Conf Champion
CT Champion
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35 Clone77 23-10 9-3 9-5 5-2 11-5 4 5 A+ Conf Champion
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34 Clone77 23-9 12-1 7-6 4-2 11-5 11 6 A NT At-large Bid
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33 Clone77 21-9 8-4 11-3 2-2 12-4 16 A Conf Champion
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32 Clone77 30-4 13-1 10-2 7-1 13-3 1 4 A- Conf Champion
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31 jdailey 16-12 12-2 3-9 1-1 9-7 113 C+
30 jdailey 10-18 7-8 2-9 1-1 5-11 163 C+
29 jdailey 14-13 7-7 7-5 0-1 7-9 131 B-
28 jdailey 11-17 5-6 5-10 1-1 7-9 138 B-
4/27/2010 5:10 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 4/26/2010No thats not how basketball works; a player from a midmajor almost never leaves school early. Maybe a guy who goes to the Sweet 16 or Elite 8 and leads the nation in scoring; thats his gripe. My Kansas team has been destroyed by early entries and Im fine with that as I consistently recruit top players. His point was (I think) that he didnt recruit the type of guy that should ever under any circumstance leave. I am one of the biggest proponents of early entries as I believe they add a welcome realism to the game...But I'd have to agree with Sully here.
Are you serious? Look at Hassan Whiteside coming out after his freshmen year this year from marshall. I could name several others in real life who thouht they were the Gods gift of basketball and declared for the draft from some rinky dink D1 school. I know guys who played DII that have done it.
4/27/2010 6:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 4/27/2010I tend to agree with Namshub in general, but Z has VERY valid points about why many players are declaring this season. He's right, because of the CBA situation in the NBA, I don't think you can use this year's real life early entries as a good example
The number of early entry candidates for this year isn't that much different that it's been over the past couple of year. In 2007, 58 players declared. In 2008, 70 players declared. In 2009, 74 players declared.

Obviously, a bunch of them ended up withdrawing and we'll see if that happens here, but at least from now, there's nothing to show that the CBA has had any impact on the number of players leaving early.
4/27/2010 8:09 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 4/26/2010nam you can't even begin to use this years nbadraft #s for numerous reasons a) IRL players can come back. you can't in HD b) the CBA is the reason for the huge influx of EEs IRL, something that doesn't pertain to HD at all.

You just can't use this year as a mark for anything. sorry
then look at 08 or 09, the same things apply. just used this year because it was most present. looking at the prior two years merits the same type results. the fact is that less guys are EE in HD by a big % than IRL and the fact is that guys go from all sorts of schools with all sorts of stats and potential. also, some guys that go weren't 3 and 4 star recruits coming out of high school. you can't quantify it IRL and my opinion is that you shouldn't be able to quantify it here. the math controls to much and randomness needs to be a factor for this game to hold any interest at all for me.
4/27/2010 8:54 PM
namshub
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the 2009 draft (without accounting for undrafted EE's) included (of 60 drafted): 4 freshman, 9 sophomores, 12 juniors and 22 seniors. this doesn't take into account the 13 internationals.
4/27/2010 9:01 PM
namshub
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looking at the last 3 NBA drafts it looks like approx. 4 -6 underclassmen from non big 6 schools get drafted. don't know the HD numbers. one thing we don't get in HD which would definitely create chaos is the one and done epidemic in the NBA draft. way more frosh. go IRL then in HD, that's for sure.
4/27/2010 9:10 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By wronoj on 4/27/2010Here's Clone's time at ISU in Naismith, a pretty damn full d1 world.

OD, if you don't consider this a dynasty, you're a better coach than i think you are... and i've been in your conference before. :)



first of all, that is a low-friggin-blow wrongjay, very low.

second of all, i am willing to stipulate that clooney (and maybe a couple others) have teams that qualify as "dynasties". But, i am not budging off my assertion that uconn tark is in a league all its own. furthermore, i dont care how much logic and common sense you and doc and the rest of you throw at me.... OR's uconn-tark is the one and only "uber-dynasty" and no one else is even in the conversation.

third of all, i am definitely not "a better coach than you think i am". im worse, much worse.

and if you ever bring up wooden-upstate again, i will hunt you down, and i will kill you.

take er easy.
4/27/2010 10:03 PM
wronoj
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damn. i was hoping for a proper, old-school OD rant.

we've got an opening or two for you if you want to try your hand again...
4/27/2010 10:11 PM
oldave
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Quote: Originally Posted By wronoj on 4/27/2010damn. i was hoping for a proper, old-school OD rant.

we've got an opening or two for you if you want to try your hand again..
not yet, but someday i may hafta try to redeem my good name.
4/27/2010 10:19 PM
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