Quote: Originally Posted By obiewon777 on 5/05/2010Make sure to promote him before the expansion so he will be avaliable for the playoffs. Top pitchers in the starting rotation can change your playoff picture. Also you could have an injury sometime which would allow you to promote him in place of the injured player and if you wanted you could demote him to save time on his clock when the injured player returned and not get a demotion penalty. This way he gives you starts to help in your playoff run and still does not take a full yr of eligabilty. Just keep your options opened so if you are winning hold off promoting until you have to BUT MAKE SURE YOU DO PROMOTE HIM BEFORE THE PLAYOFF TEAMS ARE SET. I had the exact decision last season with a 3 yr ML closer that I promoted toward the end of the season. I made the playoffs by doing the promotion. One last thing when you promote him he will get a bump for the promotion to the ML in his splits.

You dont have to promote him to have him available for the playoffs. He just has to be on your 40-man. Also, does anybody have any evidence that "promotion bumps" actually exist. People always talk about these, but im pretty sure that I remember admin saying that it is just a normal development cycle.

If it happens anywhere near the development cycle, it will replace it, happen early, and be called the "promotion" bump. I believe, basically, ythat you are correct.

So, correct me if im wrong, but the promotion has nothing to do with the ratings increase?

It's just a marker of the event.

Quote: Originally posted by tropicana on 5/05/2010

Quote: Originally posted by schuyler101 on 5/04/2010trop,
i mentioned him leaving as a free agent

actually in the scenario with him leaving as a free agent you trade off a year in his prime for this season...for the marginal improvement he offers this year i just dont know if it's worth it

we'll agree to disagree

and there is no time value of money in HBD, dollars don't depreciate here

Precisely -- future dollars have, quite literally, no value today. So that eight million in 12 or 13 seasons is completely valueless when looking at the possibility of making the playoffs today.

If you want to argue if he's an improvement, I can't answer that. It's his team and it's for him to decide. But payroll considerations that far down the road should have nothing to do with the decision -- it should be, can this guy help? And if the answer is yes, you get his butt in the rotation.

wow

future dollars do have value, to say they don't is insane.
you're telling me you would sacrifice 20 million dollars out of your next 3 seasons' budget to just to make the playoffs this year?

if future dollars have "quite literally, no value" then your answer would be yes

I can't help but think what would happen in real-life if a team that was, say, two games out at the All-Star break held back their star prospect or refused to make other moves to enhance their team, with the reason being "We have to think about our 2015 payroll budget".

Talk about alienating the fan base.

Yes, I would sacrifice 7m for the next three seasons to make the playoffs this year. Most of us know this game has peaks and valleys. Sometimes, no matter what you think of your team, it grossly underperforms. So, while thinking of next is great(and a good owner should), it shouldn't stop you from winning this year.

A bird in the hand worth two in the bush, and all that.

DIAH always has his bird in his hand.

Quote: Originally posted by tecwrg on 5/05/2010DIAH always has his bird in his hand.

But none in the bush.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 5/05/2010Yes, I would sacrifice 7m for the next three seasons to make the playoffs this year. Most of us know this game has peaks and valleys. Sometimes, no matter what you think of your team, it grossly underperforms. So, while thinking of next is great(and a good owner should), it shouldn't stop you from winning this year

I couldn't agree more. Who knows if I'm even still playing the game 5-6 season from now. If the guy has a chance to help you now when you are in a playoff race, you promote. If he doesn't, leave him in AAA. Personally, I promote early, almost to a fault. I've seen plenty of 6th seeds win the WS to know that all you have to do is get into the playoffs and anything can happen.

You will not see the bump if you have two promotions in one season. If he started out in AAA and gets a promotion to ML you will see a bump in his splits I have had that happen many times but if he was in AA to start the season and gets a promotion to AAA mid year and then ML the end of the year I have not seen any increase in the splits.

Looks like what this is boiling down to is different owners valuing future seasons differently

i tried to clearly break down the financial implications of promoting the OP's pitching prospect

this didn't occur to me originally while i was doing but it looks like i place a much more value in future seasons than a majority of the posters in this thread, and possibly in HBD

for instance i hold players back until done developing at a decent pace almost to a fault, even if they are better than my ML options (unless i have a giant hole on my roster)

i also tend to avoid trading for players in multi year contracts who could help me this season but whose future contract years would not be worth it

not saying that it's better, just a different way of doing things

Quote: Originally Posted By schuyler101 on 5/05/2010Looks like what this is boiling down to is different owners valuing future seasons differently

i tried to clearly break down the financial implications of promoting the OP's pitching prospect

this didn't occur to me originally while i was doing but it looks like i place a much more value in future seasons than a majority of the posters in this thread, and possibly in HBD

for instance i hold players back until done developing at a decent pace almost to a fault, even if they are better than my ML options (unless i have a giant hole on my roster)

i also tend to avoid trading for players in multi year contracts who could help me this season but whose future contract years would not be worth it

not saying that it's better, just a different way of doing thing

Or that different owners value THE CURRENT season differently. I think most of the people on the "promote" side are saying is that if it can help you reach the playoffs this year, then do it. If you have a 10 game lead or are 10 games behind, probably better to leave him in AAA. However, at the time of the email, he had a 1 game lead. As long as that player makes you a better team, you promote to give you a better shot this year. Once you reach the playoffs, anything can happen.

I look at this season and two seasons in advance(trying to project my 3rd season roster if I make no moves other than losing FA). So I may have a 3 year pro that I project to start in S3. But, if the circumstance arises and he can help, I'll use him in the current season to help me reach the playoffs and adjust my 3 year plan. I'm not going to adjust my current needs to suit what I project 3 seasons down the road.