How is it possible that DH's Topic

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Posted by isack24 on 7/8/2011 10:59:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/8/2011 10:15:00 AM (view original):
You're kinda dumb.    Baldelli had a medical condition that caused extreme fatigue despite very little exertion.    To pretend he could have DHed regularly is folly. 

Nonetheless, you tell us.   It's obvious you believe 65 stamina should be able to DH for 162 games.   What's the breaking point?  At what stamina would a DH have a chance to show fatigue?  60?  55?  25?  10? 
Hence why I said he would have like a 10 dur.  If you're telling me you have a guy who gets winded from moving, then yeah, OK.  But a normal professional baseball player isn't going to get extremely fatigued from playing DH 160 times per year.

But yes, I am "kinda dumb."  I just don't know where I'd be without your inability to see obvious differences between a medically-significant fatigue issue and a normal person.
Couldn't we assume that 65 might not be "normal" or that he might suffer from a "medically-significant fatigue issue"?    I'd argue that we could. 
7/8/2011 12:08 PM
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My DH in Hamilton.   Plays 140+ games each season.
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How many MLB DH play more that 140 games as a DH?
7/8/2011 12:10 PM
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This strikes me as another situation where people get a bit deceived by the 0-100 ratings and think they are distributed somewhat evenly across that spectrum, thereby something like 65 isn't that bad.  It's on the very low end of how players are typically generated, judged from the current draft pools in both of my worlds. 

7/8/2011 12:24 PM
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That's correct.  I average about 2 per team below 70. 
7/8/2011 12:32 PM
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65 DUR means a player could play roughly 2/3 of the games...  DH dampening means that instead of 100 games (or so), he could probably DH for 110.  Or if the team scores a shitload of runs, maybe 105.  If you're looking for some backstory as to WHY his durability is so low.... imagine that he's really really FAT and can't play three games consecutively without collapsing on the field.

Regardless, 65 DUR means he can't play all the games without fatiguing.  What's so hard about that?  Durabiity is one of the characteristics you should check before drafting/signing a player.  It's a limiting factor to his effectiveness.  Don't blame the game if you don't understand the factors.
7/8/2011 12:34 PM
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I have to grab my glove, and jog out to LF 9 TIMES a game.

Minimum.

I am positively wiped after all that jogging back and forth.
7/8/2011 12:48 PM
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Wow.  Logged in a day later and realized I started a war.

My question was answered though... and knowing that HBD does fatigue calculations differently for DHs is comforting, although I don't think they're mimic'ing real life very well.

I understood that he'd be fatigued somewhat and would definitely miss games to rest, but it seems kind of excessive that he's only 220 at-bats into the season and he's already at 95%.  That seems like a little much.
7/8/2011 1:48 PM
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I think the programming part of the problem would be to try to have the system calculate 2 different fatigue values for DH type guys and for 'regular fielders' as anyone on the roster can DH.  The powers that be, might have felt that this was not a significant enough issue to waste money paying someone to draft, test and impliment.  In a pinch most DH type guys could fill in a an injury replacement at first, if that were the case and they had 'special fatigue settings' then a move like that could give a team more at bats for that DH in the field than an identical fatigue / health player who does play in the field. 

I also think MikeT is onto something were the randomness of fatigue values on players has forced teams to have a roster with flexiblity, not 8 high paid guys and scrubs who never see the field.  Then your just playing a video game, not a game trying to best simulate reality.
7/8/2011 2:53 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 7/8/2011 6:53:00 AM (view original):
Most retarded thread of the year?

I'm guessing DH don't take BP, travel or doing anything but swing a bat 4 times a game.   Don't they have a bed in the dugout for naps?
I thought this thread started out okay, but it jumped the rails quickly.

For those concerned about the relative effects of stamina on different position players, I suggest you track you own players.  I do, and even though I have no AL teams and therefore no DH, I have noticed that players with similar stamina will fatigue differently depending on their position.  So my 77 stamina SS, who I rest/provide a defensive replacement for more often than my 78 stamina 1B, plays roughly 100 fewer innings in the field over the course of a season than my 1B, even though they start about the same number of games (140'ish) and are sat for rest at roughly the same level of fatigue.
7/8/2011 3:38 PM
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If you look at DUR/position player fatigue purely as the player being "tired", then it doesn't make any sense at all relative to real life.  There are plenty of HBD players who can't really be counted on for more than 130 games a year if you want to pay attention to their fatigue.  How many everyday players (not including catchers) in real life miss more than a game a week just because they are worn out?  Not many, but there are plenty of guys who are missing a game here and there to give a nagging injury a rest.  They could probably play all those games, but everyone thinks it's better to rest every so often and let the thing heal.  That, I think, is what DUR/fatigue is basically designed to replicate, since we don't have injuries that you can choose to play through.

A 65 DUR guy is basically a wimp with a low threshold for pain.  The nagging bumps and bruises really impact his performance.  You've got a choice to let him keep playing through those at less effectiveness, or give him time off and keep him playing at full effectiveness.  And yes, he should (and does) pick up fewer of them playing DH, but if you make it that DHs don't "fatigue" at all - then everyone's DH is going to be playing 150 games a year - and how realistic is that?
7/8/2011 3:43 PM
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I've said that for a long time(mostly about pitchers) but there is also the "grind" that MLB players always talk about.   Playing a game 6 times a week for 6 months, the travel, the late nights(games over at 11 PM), etc, etc. so there is the "mental fatigue" that prevents players from going 162. 
7/8/2011 3:59 PM
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Gordie Howe would play 162 games, elbow someone in the face, cross check a few Dominicans and still be 100% fatigue at the end.
7/8/2011 5:40 PM
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Posted by deathinahole on 7/8/2011 5:40:00 (view original):
Gordie Howe would play 162 games, elbow someone in the face, cross check a few Dominicans and still be 100% fatigue at the end.

Playing a Canadian game does not count as "athletic"...

7/8/2011 6:50 PM
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your saying that hockey is less athletic then baseball?  let me guess youve never watched a game ever eh?, Im guessing never even seen any highlights either.  (I get that you must be joking, and I am too!)  lol
7/8/2011 9:37 PM
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Isn't hockey a Finnish game?
7/8/2011 11:18 PM
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