Seventhwest, SHQIPTA, Chip1213,  trobone, wedcrasher TMP, fatchance...Im sure I left some out...and not that these guys arent good coaches (trust me from what theyve done they are certainly more than capable)...but its not like they are the top guys in HD either.

mmt, I do agree with you re: adopting some sort of different prestige level to use for the jobs process. That would be an excellent idea.

mmt - I would agree with that change, or make it a combination of current and baseline prestige (meaning that a D prestige school that had been raised to a B wouldn't hire like a B, but they wouldn't hire like a D either, maybe like a C- or so).  That would help keep those stronger mid-majors filled, but I'm not sure how likely it is that will help to fill the other D or D- sims in the conference.

Just a thought, how many mid-major coaches actually stay at mid-majors for 8-12 seasons, which is how long it probably takes to get a mid-major's prestige up high enough to go for top tier of recruits? My guess is, not many? I have seen coaches rebuild a mid major or even a bottom tier D1 team (D baseline) into B or B+ and then jump ship to a Big 6 conf. There is alot of self selection involved here. I'm not saying recruiting pool isn't the problem (I wouldn't know since I have yet to play D1), it very well could be; but a different issue is that successful coaches that are capable of building up a team in a mid major use the mid major as a stepping stone to a better conf. 

CUSA in Rupp makes a pretty strong case that mid majors probably can compete with the right group of coaches. Marshall went to elite 8 (lost by 2 to the #1 ranked Illinois) and is now sitting at B+ prestige. I'm fairly certain Memphis is going to be B/B+ after this season as well; there are also several B-/C+ teams in there that can make a prestige jump this season.

With all the top coaches flocking to ACC/SEC/Big East etc. rather than playing in mid-major, of course the mid-majors are going to be extremely weak and be way behind in recruiting cash. 

I'm pretty much in total agreement with OR's recruit/market thinking.

Posted by acn24 on 9/15/2011 11:57:00 AM (view original):
mmt - I would agree with that change, or make it a combination of current and baseline prestige (meaning that a D prestige school that had been raised to a B wouldn't hire like a B, but they wouldn't hire like a D either, maybe like a C- or so).  That would help keep those stronger mid-majors filled, but I'm not sure how likely it is that will help to fill the other D or D- sims in the conference.

100%.

Posted by tianyi7886 on 9/15/2011 12:00:00 PM (view original):
Just a thought, how many mid-major coaches actually stay at mid-majors for 8-12 seasons, which is how long it probably takes to get a mid-major's prestige up high enough to go for top tier of recruits? My guess is, not many? I have seen coaches rebuild a mid major or even a bottom tier D1 team (D baseline) into B or B+ and then jump ship to a Big 6 conf. There is alot of self selection involved here. I'm not saying recruiting pool isn't the problem (I wouldn't know since I have yet to play D1), it very well could be; but a different issue is that successful coaches that are capable of building up a team in a mid major use the mid major as a stepping stone to a better conf. 

CUSA in Rupp makes a pretty strong case that mid majors probably can compete with the right group of coaches. Marshall went to elite 8 (lost by 2 to the #1 ranked Illinois) and is now sitting at B+ prestige. I'm fairly certain Memphis is going to be B/B+ after this season as well; there are also several B-/C+ teams in there that can make a prestige jump this season.

With all the top coaches flocking to ACC/SEC/Big East etc. rather than playing in mid-major, of course the mid-majors are going to be extremely weak and be way behind in recruiting cash. 

tianyi, before you had filled BCS conferences and lots of successful low/mid programs. Even with plenty of coaches looking to move up, the two are not at all mutually exclusive.
And while it's true that I have Marshall up to a B+ and iguana will no doubt have Memphis rocking and rolling, the point people are making is that should be a bit more possible to achieve for coaches other than someone as strong as iguana, etc. Our situation is different than what you'll find in any other non-BCS conference.

Added the Rupp numbers.

Added season 42 of Knight. Healthy gain of 18 in the DIII column.

Added Season 53 of Iba. Small gains with more people going to D1.

Posted by stinenavy on 10/6/2011 1:05:00 AM (view original):
Added season 42 of Knight. Healthy gain of 18 in the DIII column.

Two of those were in the Upstate and they didn't recruit and haven't touched their teams.  Maybe they were just using their recruiting money to scout for their owners' primary aliases.

Updated Naismith and Knight.

Has there ever been an attempt by WIS or Fox to market the game, even in a semi-meaningful way.

Wouldn't just simple stuff like banner ads during college hoops season and especially during March Madness be pretty darn effective? Seems like there are a lot of  hoops junkies who would love HD but have no idea that it even exists.

Posted by umpikes on 11/11/2011 7:56:00 AM (view original):
Has there ever been an attempt by WIS or Fox to market the game, even in a semi-meaningful way.

Wouldn't just simple stuff like banner ads during college hoops season and especially during March Madness be pretty darn effective? Seems like there are a lot of  hoops junkies who would love HD but have no idea that it even exists.

you're preaching to the choir ump.  Most coaches agree that the marketing of HD is absolutely abysmal.  For whatever reason, FOX simply refuses to chase the low-hanging fruit that could probably double the user-base, at least for a trial period anyway.  Gotta start somewhere Fox.

Has anyone actually asked them why they've never done this? It just seems so obvious that they could carve out a little space to post on the Fox Sports related sites. If we all get it, don't they get it, too?